Killing DAT

[dlockhart]

[legion]

Fair use has been dead for quite some time.

[Gogar]

If anyone wants to buy a Sony PCM-R500 I have 2, please let me know. I even have some blank tapes i'll toss in for free! CD quality!

[Nickshu]

Interesting history. Funny how it all came true but in another way. I'm not sure how the music industry makes any money these days.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by Nickshu

Interesting history. Funny how it all came true but in another way. I'm not sure how the music industry makes any money these days.

I would guess they're making more money now than ever before through iTunes etc.

DAT was cool. I had a Sony Mini Disk player for a while but that soon went bye bye once MP3's became common.

Close to 30 years ago I went to an auto show and they had a demo setup with the latest "metal" cassette tapes.
You couldn't distinguish the sound from a CD. (They had them playing side by side and switched over to demo the sound)
It may have been DAT but from memory the cassettes looked like regular ones. Not 100% sure though.

Were "metal" cassette tapes & players any good? It's been so long I really don't remember.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I would guess they're making more money now than ever before through iTunes etc.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

When was the last time you bought something on iTunes?

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Close to 30 years ago I went to an auto show and they had a demo setup with the latest "metal" cassette tapes.
You couldn't distinguish the sound from a CD. (They had them playing side by side and switched over to demo the sound)
It may have been DAT but from memory the cassettes looked like regular ones. Not 100% sure though.

Were "metal" cassette tapes & players any good? It's been so long I really don't remember.

"Metal" was just a different formulation of cassette tape. Regular tapes were iron oxide, then there was a 'chrome' oxide, and 'type 4 metal' tapes were actual metal particles. The idea being that different materials on the tape could achieve a higher frequency response.

[GWN7]

Originally Posted by Gogar

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

When was the last time you bought something on iTunes?

Interesting about DAT.

If you can get a hold of it you should watch "Who the F**k is Arthur Fogel?"

It's about one of the founders of "Live Nation" and how they changed the concert promotions game by raising concert prices and marketing goods. An actual business plan instead of "you go play these dates and we will pay you some money ....... maybe".

[GWN7]

Originally Posted by Gogar

the LN office is next door. Thanks for the heads up!

I figured you might know of them but the guy who thinks iTunes makes you your cash might be interested.

BTW Why is it you never play up here.

[tabs]

No money in Canada. The LV cabbies say the Canucks are the cheapest fks of them all. Wanting to go to Wall Mart to buy their booze.

[Gogar]

Sorry, I felt like I was being rude so I deleted. Tabs is right (for once), we don't play up there because we can't sell any tickets.

The LN "360" deal was an interesting concept for a while, but it was really only effective with huge artists, originally designed to give big artists a sizeable advance on future sales - sales that didn't exist anymore. At least as far as record sales go. not really applicable for the "mid-cap" kind of business i am in. The insidious part of it was that they would rope smaller bands into it; knowing that the record sales were nonexistent; so they could garner a return from ticket sales and t-shirts.

Of course, In addition to the "convenience" and "service" fees they would split with the ticketing agencies, that they also own and are also in the same office building. Interesting stuff! Very challenging to make money.

Rant? Over.

[GWN7]

Originally Posted by tabs

No money in Canada. The LV cabbies say the Canucks are the cheapest fks of them all. Wanting to go to Wall Mart to buy their booze.

Walmart up here doesn't sell booze so it must be a novelty thing.

I did take a cab to every Walmart in Vegas once to buy satellite dishes but I tipped the driver $100 for his troubles. I used to go there 3X a year for shows.

Gogar, I didn't read it as rude. Thanks for the insiders view.

[Charles Freeborn]

Another media that seems to have lost the battle is mini-disc or in the computer world magneto-optical. I have a couple of md devices that still work beautifully for very small *(about the size of a cigarette pack) for live recording. I used them for lots of instructional workshops (acoustic guitar) and live recording in small club settings. Great format. Never caught on in the US as much as Europe - not sure if it's gone there too...

[Eric Coffey]

Yep, DAT went the way of the Dodo long ago. It held on for a bit longer on the pro side in the form of ADAT recording (8 tracks on a VHS tape) and served it's purpose.
You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a big-name studio with ADAT machines still in use today though. Everything is DAW/HDD (and ball bearings) these days.

[Gogar]

I have 2 ADAT machines and did well for a while transferring clients tapes to HDD. Expensive keeping them up to snuff though!

[legion]

It was a little hobby of my friends back in high school (mid 90's) to check the codes on tapes and CDs. We found for CDs we generally liked the sound of the albums with AAD the best. DDD seemed to have a "harsh" sound. Then there was the odd DAD CD....

[sc_rufctr]

Anyone remember Super VHS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-VHS

[Nostril Cheese]

My dad was big into home recording with DAT. Im sure i've still got all his stuff around somewhere.

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by legion

It was a little hobby of my friends back in high school (mid 90's) to check the codes on tapes and CDs. We found for CDs we generally liked the sound of the albums with AAD the best. DDD seemed to have a "harsh" sound. Then there was the odd DAD CD....

The best sounding CDs are the AAA ones. They are hard to find and can be tricky to play though.

Seriously, those codes (D = digital, A = analog) were notoriously inaccurate.
Even when they were "technically" correct regarding the initial recording medium, final mix-down medium, and final mastering medium, the entire production process was typically much more complex than one could articulate with just 3 letters.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey

The best sounding CDs are the AAA ones. They are hard to find and can be tricky to play though. .

Yes, incredibly hard to find!! Lol

[daepp]

So I'm learning something here - that I'm apparently the last guy that still buys music from iTunes?