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gduke2010 01-08-2017 09:45 AM

Quoting job tomorrow
 
I'm quitting my job tomorrow after nine years with the company. And they have no clue that I'm quitting. Find something with extremely better benefits and a lot less travel. A couple other guys that I work with quit and went to work for the same company. The company that I work with now is quite disappointed that they lost the other workers. We were all recruited by another former employee.

I want to leave on good terms, and thinking of giving them two weeks notice. But if things get ugly I might just have to walk out the door. I've never done that before. But it looks like it could be a possibility and I have no idea how they will react.

Any politically correct ways to quit a job in this situation?

Gogar 01-08-2017 10:03 AM

Give notice and do your two weeks and do a great job, even if you don't want to.

End of story.

It will come back to you somewhere down the road.

Charles Freeborn 01-08-2017 10:12 AM

Definitely give them proper notice and be willing to finish out the agreement. As said, do a stellar job, wrap up any projects you have going , or at least get them to a hand off ready point.
You can totally own the high road here. Do it.
If they have a hissy, that's on them.

Brando 01-08-2017 10:23 AM

I agree about taking the high road here. But then again, with some employers you have to take the fast pass on the low road and GTFO. Hopefully they're not that bad.

fanaudical 01-08-2017 10:34 AM

Take the high road, provide notice, be willing to finish everything and leave no/minimal loose ends.

You're not obligated to announce that you have another job or who it's with. If they ask if you have another job offer, answer truthfully "yes" or "no". If they ask if it's for a competitor, again answer "yes" or "no". Past that, it's not their business as long as you're not violating any non-compete or non-recruit agreements you have in place.

Like Charles said, if they decide to behave badly, that's on them.

Baz 01-08-2017 10:45 AM

I thought this thread was about quoting a job....

That said...I agree with what everyone else said above. Take the high road....

rwest 01-08-2017 11:18 AM

The world is small and likely your chosen field has lots of people and companies who talk with each other. How you handle yourself upon resignation will be discussed by many. Give proper notice, work hard and do your best to finish or help others get the work done.

There is no upside to "burning bridges." You may need to cross it again sometime in the future.

Best of luck in your new job.

masraum 01-08-2017 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 9424788)
Give notice and do your two weeks and do a great job, even if you don't want to.

End of story.

It will come back to you somewhere down the road.

Exactly what the rock star said (man that guy is smart for a rock star! ;) )

Give notice. If they are pissed, they may just ask you to leave. If they aren't, then work your two weeks. If they start acting stupid, do you job like you normally would but don't take any crap from someone that's pissy.

THe world is a very small place. Even if you thought, "I'd never in a million years work for that co again," that doesn't mean that a few years down the road, someone with a memory might not work for another company. Never give anyone an excuse.

creaturecat 01-08-2017 11:36 AM

good advice here.

sammyg2 01-08-2017 11:46 AM

Old saying:
"be careful who you piss off, you might be working for them next week".

Seahawk 01-08-2017 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9424884)
The world is a very small place.

...and the business world is even smaller and no one forgets being slighted.

Heed the advice given above: Give the standard notice and play above the fray.

The "extremely better benefits" are worth the effort:D

svandamme 01-08-2017 11:49 AM

Or just get fired and severance or somming like that.
Just grab the CEO's PA in the ass when nobody else sees it, then stone cold deny it.
CEO secretaries always get their way, but if nobody saw it they might just pay you off.

You will get fired either way, with or without severance,
depending on HR policies and how stone cold you can deny it.
But at the very least you'll know if it was firm or not.

Gogar 01-08-2017 12:32 PM

I asked my 24-year old neighbor, and he suggested that you

1. don't bathe for a week
2. if you get called on it at work, mutter something about religion
3. get fired
4. unemployment checks!


Hugh R 01-08-2017 12:40 PM

In my career, I've had five or six people who at one time or another were a boss, a client, a referral for a job, or an expert witness on the other side of the table from me.

Oh Haha 01-08-2017 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 9424788)
Give notice and do your two weeks and do a great job, even if you don't want to.

End of story.

It will come back to you somewhere down the road.

This^^^^

I worked my 2 weeks out and offered to help train my replacement. That didn't happen because they dragged their feet hiring somebody.

Macroni 01-08-2017 01:21 PM

Would you stay if they match Salary and benefits?

Kind of sleaze of other company to steal from your company.... tells you of their ethics.....

JacobS911 01-08-2017 02:12 PM

Quit in a fiery blaze of glory for our entertainment!!


......but probably best not to listen to me :)

DanielDudley 01-08-2017 02:22 PM

I quit a job because the company was stealing from a client big time. I still gave notice.

They eventually got caught by another client's accountant.

aigel 01-08-2017 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gduke2010 (Post 9424760)
I'm quitting my job tomorrow after nine years with the company. And they have no clue that I'm quitting. Find something with extremely better benefits and a lot less travel. A couple other guys that I work with quit and went to work for the same company. The company that I work with now is quite disappointed that they lost the other workers. We were all recruited by another former employee.

I want to leave on good terms, and thinking of giving them two weeks notice. But if things get ugly I might just have to walk out the door. I've never done that before. But it looks like it could be a possibility and I have no idea how they will react.

Any politically correct ways to quit a job in this situation?

You may want to be very careful disclosing that a former employee is recruiting you. Many companies have you sign a document certifying that you will not recruit / solicit or even help current employees find any job for x years. It is tough to prove anything, but if you put it out there, maybe even in writing, they may have a case against your former coworker. Even if there isn't such paperwork, it may be bad for your former coworker's reputation and his ability to continue to find work in the industry if people get wind that he is cleaning out his former company without hesitation.

The only way "things get ugly" is if the current company is concerned that you are working for a competitor and want you out sooner than later, so you don't spend your time recruiting or getting any more information that you already have. Often times they will walk you out on the spot. But a good company may even pay you for the 2 week time, if you offer 2 weeks starting the conversation.

It should NEVER get ugly because of what you do. You take the high road. You found a better opportunity, it was great to work with everyone and you appreciate the long standing relationship. Thank you very much. NO bashing ANYTHING, including in the exit interview with HR.

I know, many of us would rather take a crap on the bosses desk, but that's not how it works!

G

masraum 01-08-2017 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macroni (Post 9425030)
Would you stay if they match Salary and benefits?

Kind of sleaze of other company to steal from your company.... tells you of their ethics.....

Meh, completely standard these days. Many/most companies will pay you as little as they can to keep you, then if you're a good employee and they were getting you on the cheap, they'll try to keep you. They should have been paying you all along.

I've known of lots of folks that left one company for a big raise, then a couple of years down the road, went back to the original company for a big raise over what they'd been making at the place they moved to the first time. But if they'd just stayed, they'd have had to work another 50 years to see that sort of salary increase.

MMiller 01-08-2017 03:07 PM

I would consider giving them more than 2 weeks. It is really hard to find quality people to replace quality people and get them any training in two weeks. 30days is more like the minimum time to get that done.

aigel 01-08-2017 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macroni (Post 9425030)
Would you stay if they match Salary and benefits?

You can hint that you are thinking about leaving and start a conversation with your manager early, but not when you drop your resignation off! If they counter then, it is emergency management. Then they know you aren't loyal and that they need to replace you soon.

G

Alan A 01-08-2017 05:40 PM

If you need to leave to get a raise you need to leave.

What are the notice periods in your contract, or are you in an at will state?
When my wife handed in two weeks notice a few years back they told her to leave immediately and then said they weren't going to pay her notice period. Took the threat of an unfair dismissal suit to make them change their mind about that, so I'm more of the mind that if I'm leaving I'm handing notice at 4pm on a Friday because I've already made my mind up that I'm going.

Plus if I can get laid off at any time it seems fair to return the favor.

wdfifteen 01-08-2017 05:48 PM

Speaking as an employer.
Assuming you work for a professionally managed company, act like a professional yourself and give them the courtesy of at least two weeks notice. They will understand that you need to leave for whatever reasons - you probably aren't the first - and they will want a smooth transition as much as you do. BTW you aren't obligated to tell they why you are leaving and from an employer's point of view I don't care unless it illuminates a problem I need to deal with.

wdfifteen 01-08-2017 05:51 PM

On the other hand you could take the advice of a remote relative of mine ...

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wdfifteen 01-08-2017 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacobS911 (Post 9425080)
Quit in a fiery blaze of glory for our entertainment!!

Whoa!! I responded before I read the blue ribbon response! F*ck Yeah!!
If your departure/body recovery isn't accompanied by a SWAT team, an armored police personnel carrier, and a police helicopter you're a pussy!

JK you know,;)

Robert Adams 01-08-2017 06:19 PM

9 years is a long time to work for the same company these days. The fact you’re current employer seems to be going through a brain drain, you might prepare yourself for an improved package offer from them if asked. It was mentioned earlier to have a discussion with your boss about your ‘unhappiness’ with your current situation and have been offered an improved position elsewhere which you are giving serious consideration. I think this is definitely a good idea. I wouldn’t get into any specifics; just indicate its better pay, a few improved benefits (think of some you want) & better hours (shorter commute). This is assuming you more or less work for a decent company and under normal circumstances not a bad place to hang your hat. Most people don’t stay at the same company for 9 years if they hate the place and the people. It’s a natural progression for people to leave, but the fact that company offering the position has a systematic approach of poaching doesn’t speak to their character in a positive light. If nothing comes from your current employer, then give your two weeks and don’t look back. It probably will occur to them, why are all these people going to a competitor and how?? So the bubble may pop sometime down the line and lawsuits will fly.

Rick Lee 01-08-2017 06:57 PM

In a lot of sales jobs, if you give notice, they walk you out the door that day. Last time I gave notice, I was the only person they didn't walk out the door, but they still only let me work eight more days and didn't pay out my vacation. So the next one who quit did it on 12/31 and said that was it, cited my treatment as her reason for no notice.

About 15 yrs. ago I gave notice and they asked what they could do to keep me, gave me a 40% raise on the spot, retroactive to the first of that month. How could I turn that down? Rode that one for another 10 yrs.

Current job requests 30 days notice, but everyone gets emailed a FedEx shipping label as soon as they give notice, so they can mail their laptop back that day.

gduke2010 01-08-2017 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macroni (Post 9425030)
Would you stay if they match Salary and benefits?

Kind of sleaze of other company to steal from your company.... tells you of their ethics.....

I would consider it but, less travel is almost as important.

wdfifteen 01-08-2017 07:35 PM

The last couple of people to leave use gave two weeks notice, but they really got two weeks pay. They were very low level employees and we figured having them around the office as lame ducks with no commitment to us was a bad idea. We paid them and sent them home to a two week paid vay-cay.

gduke2010 01-08-2017 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielDudley (Post 9425096)
I quit a job because the company was stealing from a client big time. I still gave notice.

They eventually got caught by another client's accountant.

My current company got busted overcharging a client big time. They're reputation was tarnished. That's a reason why I doubt if they could match the other company's benefits.

gduke2010 01-08-2017 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aigel (Post 9425145)
You may want to be very careful disclosing that a former employee is recruiting you. Many companies have you sign a document certifying that you will not recruit / solicit or even help current employees find any job for x years. It is tough to prove anything, but if you put it out there, maybe even in writing, they may have a case against your former coworker. Even if there isn't such paperwork, it may be bad for your former coworker's reputation and his ability to continue to find work in the industry if people get wind that he is cleaning out his former company without hesitation.

The only way "things get ugly" is if the current company is concerned that you are working for a competitor and want you out sooner than later, so you don't spend your time recruiting or getting any more information that you already have. Often times they will walk you out on the spot. But a good company may even pay you for the 2 week time, if you offer 2 weeks starting the conversation.

It should NEVER get ugly because of what you do. You take the high road. You found a better opportunity, it was great to work with everyone and you appreciate the long standing relationship. Thank you very much. NO bashing ANYTHING, including in the exit interview with HR.

I know, many of us would rather take a crap on the bosses desk, but that's not how it works!

G

Everyone will be asking questions about my new employment package. I might have to keep that information confidential to both my employer and coworkers

gduke2010 01-08-2017 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9425157)
Meh, completely standard these days. Many/most companies will pay you as little as they can to keep you, then if you're a good employee and they were getting you on the cheap, they'll try to keep you. They should have been paying you all along.

I've known of lots of folks that left one company for a big raise, then a couple of years down the road, went back to the original company for a big raise over what they'd been making at the place they moved to the first time. But if they'd just stayed, they'd have had to work another 50 years to see that sort of salary increase.

Yep, what I'm thinking.

gduke2010 01-08-2017 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Adams (Post 9425411)
9 years is a long time to work for the same company these days. The fact you’re current employer seems to be going through a brain drain, you might prepare yourself for an improved package offer from them if asked. It was mentioned earlier to have a discussion with your boss about your ‘unhappiness’ with your current situation and have been offered an improved position elsewhere which you are giving serious consideration. I think this is definitely a good idea. I wouldn’t get into any specifics; just indicate its better pay, a few improved benefits (think of some you want) & better hours (shorter commute). This is assuming you more or less work for a decent company and under normal circumstances not a bad place to hang your hat. Most people don’t stay at the same company for 9 years if they hate the place and the people. It’s a natural progression for people to leave, but the fact that company offering the position has a systematic approach of poaching doesn’t speak to their character in a positive light. If nothing comes from your current employer, then give your two weeks and don’t look back. It probably will occur to them, why are all these people going to a competitor and how?? So the bubble may pop sometime down the line and lawsuits will fly.

I'm hoping that the company will have to become more competitive and the remaining employees will benefit.

aigel 01-08-2017 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gduke2010 (Post 9425490)
Everyone will be asking questions about my new employment package. I might have to keep that information confidential to both my employer and coworkers

Yes, I'd be telling nobody what the exact plan is, if it is going to a competitor. Just say with all due respect, you don't want to go into details, it will not change your decision if you disclose any more information.

Good Luck!

G

aigel 01-08-2017 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9425486)
The last couple of people to leave use gave two weeks notice, but they really got two weeks pay. They were very low level employees and we figured having them around the office as lame ducks with no commitment to us was a bad idea. We paid them and sent them home to a two week paid vay-cay.

Very commonly done. Even at higher levels. A person who is "checked out" can do a lot of damage to the morale on the team. So, unless there is something urgent they need to hand down / finish, HR often sends people on their way. And in a solid company, it will be with a 2 week notice, just like the employee leaving was offering. This is another reason to give 2 weeks. You may actually get an extra 2 weeks pay out of the deal!

G

Neilk 01-09-2017 05:50 PM

So how did it go?

ckelly78z 01-10-2017 03:07 AM

I have heard of many companies letting the person go (walking him out the door) with little notice, the next morning after giving the company a 2 week's notice. Be ready to hit the bricks, and have all of your ducks in a row/personal info, and possesions already out of the building if you choose to do this.

Just because you chose to take the high road doesn't mean that HR will.

oldE 01-10-2017 04:04 AM

All of this talk about being walked to the door makes me remember my very different experience from 2003. My boss advised me my position was ending in 8 months but they had a package to carry me 8 months beyond that.
Very nice.
I had no idea what I would do after that, but it led to the best gig I have ever had.
Hope everything works out for you.
Best
Les


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