Client brings employee in says 'he has problem with unemployment'

[berettafan]

ok, what's the problem?

'I told unemployment I made 1,000 during this period but they say I made 2,600 and I've defrauded them'.

ok, mr client did you issue those paychecks?

yes.

so.....what exactly is the problem? you defrauded them mr employee.

'but I told them I made less...now i'll have to pay it back'

I don't follow...what exactly are you here for?



I think this guy actually wanted me to change something to cover him so he didn't have to pay the money back! I looked at my client while the guy was standing next to him and said 'the next time somebody asks you to 'help' with unemployment you tell them to go fly a kite'.

you know what this employee will say to his friends? 'oh woe is me I got screwed by the state and my boss'.

this is the prototypical obamacare credit recipient. prototypical state aid recipient.

i'm charging him an extra $100 for bringing that ****bag into my office and wasting 10 minutes of my time.

[berettafan]

mods my mistake on OT...can you please move this to PARF?

[oldE]

If you think that sort of behavior has only been around for 8 years I suspect you are mistaken.
Then you are suggesting a man who has managed to avoid paying taxes for over a decade is the guiding light, I don't follow your logic.
Best
Les

[berettafan]

where exactly did I say this was new as of 8 years ago?

we need to get people off welfare and into jobs. that is some sweet music.

[asphaltgambler]

I agree - anything that we ( taxpayers) subsidize via our Govt - will grow like weeds thus creating a part of society that not only feels entitled, but also entitled to 'work' the system. I don't think this is Parf-y as Barettafan is reporting an actual event.

[wdfifteen]

This is basically theft by deception and it's been around since cavemen traded animal skins. If you think ANY president of the United States is going to stop it you are delusional.

[berettafan]

I think a president who is not afraid to say welfare should be reduced is a great step in the right direction.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by berettafan

well it wasn't until I said 'this is why we needed trump'.

my mistake on that.

It would be very easy to edit out that sentence. You have a legitimate complaint that doesn't need to be PARF.

[stomachmonkey]

Just under half of people on welfare are employed.

The other ~half of recipients is made up of kids, the elderly and disabled who can't work but are in a family unit where at least one person does work.

~13% of welfare recipients are in family units where no one works. Part of that is absolutely mooches but part is also those who can't find employment.

It's not sloth that creates welfare, it's low paying jobs.

A few years back was having a conversation with my BIL / SIL. They were complaining that their nanny was ripping off the government by receiving public assistance for her daughter.

They were of the opinion that the $45,000 they paid her a year was sufficient for a family of two.

I agreed and asked how with that salary she possibly qualified?

"We pay her in cash"

But you are her full time employer, you issue a W-2, it's got to match up with what she reports on her taxes right?

"She's illegal, no SS# so no"

Ahh, I see, you hire illegals, who you pay in cash so you can avoid your legal obligation as her employer to contribute to unemployment, medical and SS contributions but you are upset that SHE is cheating the system?

They did not seem to see how they were doing anything wrong. Mind you, she is in HR and owns her own recruiting firm and he is a CFO so they are fully aware of their legal obligations when it comes to employment.

For the record, he voted Trump.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by ossiblue

It would be very easy to edit out that sentence. You have a legitimate complaint that doesn't need to be PARF.

sure enough...done!



welfare fraud is a massive problem in the US. in resort areas welfare enables employers to keep labor around during the offseason without paying them. not sure I care for the situation but it's real and we are living with it.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Just under half of people on welfare are employed.

The other ~half of recipients is made up of kids, the elderly and disabled who can't work but are in a family unit where at least one person does work.

~13% of welfare recipients are in family units where no one works. Part of that is absolutely mooches but part is also those who can't find employment.

It's not sloth that creates welfare, it's low paying jobs.

A few years back was having a conversation with my BIL / SIL. They were complaining that their nanny was ripping off the government by receiving public assistance for her daughter.

They were of the opinion that the $45,000 they paid her a year was sufficient for a family of two.

I agreed and asked how with that salary she possibly qualified?

"We pay her in cash"

But you are her full time employer, you issue a W-2, it's got to match up with what she reports on her taxes right?

"She's illegal, no SS# so no"

Ahh, I see, you hire illegals, who you pay in cash so you can avoid your legal obligation as her employer to contribute to unemployment, medical and SS contributions but you are upset that SHE is cheating the system?

They did not seem to see how they were doing anything wrong. Mind you, she is in HR and owns her own recruiting firm and he is a CFO so they are fully aware of their legal obligations when it comes to employment.

For the record, he voted Trump.

Sloth results in low-paying jobs.

When I was young, people told me to pay attention in school and work hard to get good grades so I could go to college and get a good education and get a good (high paying) job.
The people who told me that were teachers, councilors, parents, grand parents, all the grown-ups I knew said the same thing.
So I listened to that message and did what i was told and it WORKED!
I could have taken the EASY route and kicked back and smoked dope and learned nothing, but I did not.
So my hard work was rewarded.

I do not believe that message was a SECRET.
I do not believe that message was some sort of PRIVILEGE.

And i do not believe that everyone who listened to that message should be punished because of it.
I do not believe that everyone who DID NOT listen to that message should be rewarded.

Those who did the right thing should not have to pay those who did the wrong thing.

We should all be equal on the starting line, not on the finish line.

Our decisions have consequences.
If we remove the consequences for bad decisions, we remove the incentives to do the right things.
And we get MORE BAD DECISIONS!

Good intentions too often provide bad results.


BTW, what are your SIL and BIL's names?
I hear there's a reward system for turning in people who do stuff like that.......

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by berettafan

sure enough...done!



welfare fraud is a massive problem in the US. in resort areas welfare enables employers to keep labor around during the offseason without paying them. not sure I care for the situation but it's real and we are living with it.

Those would be H-2 visa holders who are not in a class that is eligible for welfare benefits.

But you have a point, employers, just like illegal migrant workers it's employers who hire them and create the economic conditions that attracts them.

If someone keeps stabbing you with a knife do you just keep stitching up the wounds or do you take away the ****ing knife?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Sloth results in low-paying jobs.

When I was young, people told me to pay attention in school and work hard to get good grades so I could go to college and get a good education and get a good (high paying) job.
The people who told me that were teachers, councilors, parents, grand parents, all the grown-ups I knew said the same thing.
So I listened to that message and did what i was told and it WORKED!
I could have taken the EASY route and kicked back and smoked dope and learned nothing, but I did not.
So my hard work was rewarded.

I do not believe that message was a SECRET.
I do not believe that message was some sort of PRIVILEGE.

And i do not believe that everyone who listened to that message should be punished because of it.
I do not believe that everyone who DID NOT listen to that message should be rewarded.

Those who did the right thing should not have to pay those who did the wrong thing.

We should all be equal on the starting line, not on the finish line.

Our decisions have consequences.
If we remove the consequences for bad decisions, we remove the incentives to do the right things.
And we get MORE BAD DECISIONS!

Good intentions too often provide bad results.


BTW, what are your SIL and BIL's names?
I hear there's a reward system for turning in people who do stuff like that.......

You assume that everyone who has not done as well in life is the result of sloth and that everyone who has succeeded has done so due to hard work.

While in some instances that is true it's not how life works for everyone.

And I would have probably dropped dime myself if it were provable.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

This is basically theft by deception and it's been around since cavemen traded animal skins. If you think ANY president of the United States is going to stop it you are delusional.

Are you hallucinating, who are you addressing, is Harvey sitting next to you drinking Rye and Soda or something, and you are talking to him?

I have a few employee stories. One gal, who I had really taken care of, gave her money when she was strapped for cash, let her go anytime she needed to take care of her kids. She got pregnant, went on maternity leave 5 months before she was due. Because I am a right kind of guy, I carried her and her family's health insurance the entire time. The day she was supposed to come back, no call, no show. Finally got a hold of her, and she gave me another day she was coming back. No call, no show again, and she did not answer her phone or return calls. Got a letter from the state unemployment office, asking for a little report about her employment. Turns out, if you abandon your job, which she did, you are not eligible for unemployment. Heard from her one last time. She left a very nasty message on the voice mail about me lying to the unemployment people about her never working here.

First job out of school for her, here for 4 years, so pretty much her only job. She can't very well use me as a reference, but there are those that would use me as a reference anyway.

[asphaltgambler]

That's a very good point. I often find people's morality and fair mindedness goes out the window if they see personal economic gain in their equation.....................

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by berettafan

this is the prototypical obamacare credit recipient. prototypical state aid recipient.

No it's not. Do you even know what "prototypical" means? This kind of behavior started a lot longer than 8 years ago. The ACA has nothing to do with it.
And it's still PARF bait, even with your edit.

[Dantilla]

No easy answers.

A society as wealthy as America should have a safety net for those that fall through the cracks.
But how do we prevent that short-term safety net from turning into a long-term hammock?
There will always be those who will bend the rules to benefit themselves at the expense of others.

No easy answers.

[Tobra]

We have one Dan. It is just that too many think of it as a hammock, rather than a net.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by Tobra

We have one Dan. It is just that too many think of it as a hammock, rather than a net.

Exactly my point.

How do we help those that truly need help, but give the moochers a kick in the butt?

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

How do we help those that truly need help, but give the moochers a kick in the butt?

One way would be to more closely monitor each individual case to help ferret out the career deadbeats and insist on some accountability. This would cost money to hire more case workers, but rather than spend it up front to reduce costs down the line (and create jobs at the same time), the system seems more content to just throw money at the problem after it's already manifested itself. It's like continuing to feed the pigeons, then wondering why there are so many of 'em around.