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Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 05:07 AM

Not hiring? Don't call us we will call you.
 
So I just read an article about some Irish gal in the good ol' Uk,trying to get a job. The job has a conservative clientele and she's dressed like Danelle from American Pickers, or Miley Cypress. You know Side Show Mel, circus freaks. I wouldn't hire her either. If you are going to "rebel" the system, you should stay with your kind. Love the hair honey!;):D http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489154690.jpg<The peasant look doesn't work for conservative business.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489154782.jpg<Dress like her, or go work for Hot Topic, dang it!;)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489154864.jpg;)What say you?

zipinitaly 03-10-2017 05:55 AM

She looks fine from here....

Paul_Heery 03-10-2017 06:05 AM

Here is the story that the OP should have linked:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/victoriasanusi/this-woman-says-boots-stopped-an-interview-with-her-because

HardDrive 03-10-2017 06:07 AM

Boo effing hoo. Spoiled brat.

widebody911 03-10-2017 06:08 AM

I often wonder what some of these freaks I see around town do for a living. There's guys - and gals - I see locally with tats and weird pieces of metal all over their faces and for fun I imagine them as a attorney in court, or a lobbyist trying to sway a congressman...

Interestingly, I've noticed one employer that seems to be collecting all the "it's my body and I'll let myself go and/or deface it however the fck I want" people - the DMV. I see some of the most bizarre people working there that I don't think could get away with their "style" out in the real world.

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul_Heery (Post 9505421)

Yeup!;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489158580.jpgI figured id throw it out just for fun!;):D

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zipinitaly (Post 9505406)
She looks fine from here....

I reckon you liken yourself to one of em'?;):D:D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489158680.jpg

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 9505430)
Boo effing hoo. Spoiled brat.

LOL! Yeuppers!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489158789.jpg

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 9505431)
I often wonder what some of these freaks I see around town do for a living. There's guys - and gals - I see locally with tats and weird pieces of metal all over their faces and for fun I imagine them as a attorney in court, or a lobbyist trying to sway a congressman...

Interestingly, I've noticed one employer that seems to be collecting all the "it's my body and I'll let myself go and/or deface it however the fck I want" people - the DMV. I see some of the most bizarre people working there that I don't think could get away with their "style" out in the real world.

I met one at a local oil change place, the dude was bald and tatted every where, and had spikey things. I let them do their job and while I was waiting the little pip squeak tried to intimidate me. LOL! I reckon hes 112 lbs wet, I'm a burley 260 lbs and I know how to street fight as well as use hand to hand combat, LOL, I just winked at him, and let him finish his job.;):D Tats and spikes don't make you tough. LOL!:D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489159081.png

legion 03-10-2017 06:24 AM

Employers don't want to hire snowflakes. Snowflakes require constant supervision and affirmation, and weep uncontrollably and sue when faced with criticism or not getting their way. Dressing like a self-absorbed snowflake is a sign you might be a self-absorbed snowflake.

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 9505465)
Employers don't want to hire snowflakes. Snowflakes require constant supervision and affirmation, and weep uncontrollably and sue when faced with criticism or not getting their way. Dressing like a self-absorbed snowflake is a sign you might be a self-absorbed snowflake.

Yeup, I reckon those snowflakes should get a real job, factory work, sweat it out, hell some folks earn a pretty good wage from hard work. Plus factory work will put hair on your chest!:D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489160235.gifLearn the value of a dollar, we caint all be CEO's. Derp!:D

masraum 03-10-2017 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast Freddy 944 (Post 9505355)

She's cute, no weird makeup, hair colors, tats or piercings visible. No problem.

It's not like she showed up like this

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d0b1990b12.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...694874f4a1.jpg

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9505507)
She's cute, no weird makeup, hair colors, tats or piercings visible. No problem.

It's not like she showed up like this

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d0b1990b12.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...694874f4a1.jpg

LOL! Yeehaw, that's like comparin' a Toyota to a Trans Am, that there is a whole different class of gal, Yeuppers ill admit it, shes hot! Dang!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489161133.jpg

scottmandue 03-10-2017 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9505507)
She's cute, no weird makeup, hair colors, tats or piercings visible. No problem.

Yeah, I don't get it either... she looks like a 4th grade school teacher to me.

Laneco 03-10-2017 07:03 AM

The lead in the article states "she has been looking for a job for four months..."

May I suggest that perhaps there is another problem than her nose piercing or hair cut?

angela

masraum 03-10-2017 07:05 AM

England is a bit antiquated and backwards in some ways too. That's something that you need te remember. It wasn't that long ago, that a temp girl was sent home for not wearing 2" heels.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/world/europe/high-heels-british-inquiry-dress-codes-women.html?_r=0

Quote:

“When Nicola Thorp reported to work awhile back as a temporary receptionist in the financial center here, she was shocked when her temp supervisor said her flat shoes wer unacceptable. She would need to get herself shoes with heels at least two inches high.

When she refused, she was sent hom from the accounting firm PwC without pay.”
Mandatory High Heels Are Illegal in the Workplace, U.K. MPs Say | Fortune.com

Fine employers who make women wear heels, MPs say | News | The Times & The Sunday Times

Quote:

Women have been told to wear short skirts and plunging necklines and even dye their hair blonde, according to a report by MPs into “dress codes” imposed on them at work.

A special parliamentary investigation heard from women who were also ordered to reapply make-up throughout the day and told off for wearing loose clothing in hot weather.

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 9505533)
Yeah, I don't get it either... she looks like a 4th grade school teacher to me.

Yeuppers, probably from the 1890's, lol! Get a factory job, gal.:D

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laneco (Post 9505547)
The lead in the article states "she has been looking for a job for four months..."

May I suggest that perhaps there is another problem than her nose piercing or hair cut?

angela

I wonder if the UK has the same background checks on candidate employees as Merica has? It might be hauntin' her, she needs to get a factory job.;)

cashflyer 03-10-2017 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast Freddy 944 (Post 9505355)
Love the hair honey!

Dang it... When I looked at the pic, I thought that she was wearing a hat.

I'm just gonna say that I would not hire her.
Not because of boots, or hat hair, or tats.... but because she's Irish.

My wife is Irish. I have learned my lesson already, thanks.

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9505550)
England is a bit antiquated and backwards in some ways too. That's something that you need te remember. It wasn't that long ago, that a temp girl was sent home for not wearing 2" heels.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/world/europe/high-heels-british-inquiry-dress-codes-women.html?_r=0



Mandatory High Heels Are Illegal in the Workplace, U.K. MPs Say | Fortune.com

Fine employers who make women wear heels, MPs say | News | The Times & The Sunday Times

I reckon she should have taken her style from Candy Davis, She melted the heart of the lead bottomed bowler hat wearin' boss.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489162598.jpg

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 9505559)
Dang it... When I looked at the pic, I thought that she was wearing a hat.

I'm just gonna say that I would not hire her.
Not because of boots, or hat hair, or tats.... but because she's Irish.

My wife is Irish. I have learned my lesson already, thanks.

I have 28% Irish in my blood. But I know that being a rebel wont put food on the table. LOL, her hair does look like a hat.;):D

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489163029.jpgIrish wife eh? Walking on egg shells I bet lol.;)

legion 03-10-2017 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laneco (Post 9505547)
The lead in the article states "she has been looking for a job for four months..."

May I suggest that perhaps there is another problem than her nose piercing or hair cut?

angela

I could see myself looking for at least that long, but finding a different job for me would probably involve moving to a different part of the country and finding the right fit for my specialized skills.

When I worked entry-level jobs that pretty much required just showing up, I would land those jobs in less than a week.

Gogar 03-10-2017 07:43 AM

You guys don't understand that the milennial generation thinks individuality is a skill set.

Fast Freddy 944 03-10-2017 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 9505622)
You guys don't understand that the milennial generation thinks individuality is a skill set.

I agree with your statement Gogar, but at some point folks get serious, and become adults, being a rebel wont put food in yer belly, and pay your bills. Hell every generation has had its rebels, but they grew up too. You can "dig" your tunes and life style, but employers want someone they can depend on to do the job. My suggestion for all melinnials is to work in a factory, no kidding, it will toughen em' up real fine.;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489164568.gif
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489164609.png

yazhound 03-10-2017 08:21 AM

Funny all this ... I have a tatted assistant that works rings around all the more traditional staff. She would be most difficult to replace. More so than the rest who are not duffers. Had I said no because she has tats it would have been my loss. And she is bilingual to boot.

I more put off by gents who think tasseled dress shoes are a good idea. not...

fastfredracing 03-10-2017 09:00 AM

I've often wondered how much refusing to cut my hair when I was a young punk made an impact on my life.
I just would not take jobs where they wanted me to cut my hair and be all clean cut, and , in the 80's, this could be reality . I had several employers tell me I would have to cut my hair to work there.
I just went elsewhere. "No smart wife killin' banker was going to tell me where the bear ****s in the buckwheat. "
Like the fast one says. I had to take jobs that may had been a little bit rougher around the edges, but ultimately , made me man up, and not be a puss anymore .
If you wanna be different, you gotta except that you are going to be treated different. Just they way it is .

That being said, I think also think she is cute. Not offensive at all . Probably a whiny little pia though.

flipper35 03-10-2017 09:57 AM

I think this is why she was not hired.

"“I’m not doing that, I don’t want to work for a company like that who will say something like that … that will stop an interview based on how I look.”"

The attitude to go with it is a big deal.

MBAtarga 03-10-2017 10:19 AM

On a whim - I just looked in Facebook and found her account. No terribly incriminating pictures that I saw, but did take a screen snapshot - work experience and education? Granted, Facebook isn't a resume, but..... recent two spotty short term jobs - and she "done some learns"?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489173531.JPG

masraum 03-10-2017 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 9505906)
On a whim - I just looked in Facebook and found her account. No terribly incriminating pictures that I saw

That's a shame.

Quote:

but did take a screen snapshot - work experience and education? Granted, Facebook isn't a resume, but..... recent two spotty short term jobs - and she "done some learns"?
hilarious! Looks like I need to update my facebook with a new education status.

Wetwork 03-10-2017 12:25 PM

[QUOTE=Fast Freddy 944;9505628]I agree with your statement Gogar, but at some point folks get serious, and become adults, being a rebel wont put food in yer belly, and pay your bills. Hell every generation has had its rebels, but they grew up too. You can "dig" your tunes and life style, but employers want someone they can depend on to do the job. My suggestion for all melinnials is to work in a factory, no kidding, it will toughen em' up real fine.;)

QUOTE]

I agree with all and will take this part of the statement, one further: Employers want someone who can make them money. This is really the bottom line, if your 'statement' causes or may cause your place of work to loose money you are not worth keeping or hiring.

Went to this Ranching for Profit class, lasted a week. Great class if you are into ranching. Anyways.... No kidding, this class explained how if a son or daughter returns to take over a cattle ranch from the parents you need to do up a contract. This contract needs to indicate you returning will make the ranch "X" much money in extra profit. Not loss, profit. To cover the loss the ranch would be getting by taking you back in. It got more in depth but you get the idea.-WW

ckelly78z 03-10-2017 02:04 PM

So many cute girls think that tattoos, multiple piercings, wild clothing, and multicolored hair give them character and individuality. I say, it really makes them like cheap whores......just completely not my style.

I can't believe the money they spend trying to look that way as well, could be better spent on some decent threads, and a nice haircut, to get that job they want.

I worked 15 years on a hot rubber factory production floor, before I got my nice A/Cd prototype job with the same company. Working like that 7 days a week for months on end builds some muscle, work ethic, and character that so many millenials could use.

red-beard 03-10-2017 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widebody911 (Post 9505431)
I often wonder what some of these freaks I see around town do for a living. There's guys - and gals - I see locally with tats and weird pieces of metal all over their faces and for fun I imagine them as a attorney in court, or a lobbyist trying to sway a congressman...

Interestingly, I've noticed one employer that seems to be collecting all the "it's my body and I'll let myself go and/or deface it however the fck I want" people - the DMV. I see some of the most bizarre people working there that I don't think could get away with their "style" out in the real world.

When I lived in Albany NY, there was a weirdo who hung around Lark Street.

The Lizardman - Frequently Asked Questions

http://www.thelizardman.com/doubleimage.jpg

I guess he moved to Austin, TX. Keeping Austin weird.

RedBaron 03-10-2017 02:33 PM

Let's do a quick google search and see some of the images that come up...

https://media.glassdoor.com/l/a8/fc/...am-in-kent.jpg

http://www.weymouthbid.co.uk/fcimage...-Opening-2.jpg

Someone with some common sense would probably figure out that you have to dress/groom in a moderately conservative fashion to work there.

Nahhhh, instead she complains about it online and hasn't found a job for four months.

i hate my generation.

Cajundaddy 03-10-2017 03:06 PM

Foolish interviewer.

Never judge an applicant by their appearance AND THEN TELL THEM ABOUT IT! Sheesh!
If you don't get a good vibe from someone of they come dressed in a style far outside your company norm, they didn't do their homework. If they didn't do their homework to get the job they probably won't do it to keep the job either. Be polite, expedite the rest of your interview, thank them for coming in, and toss their app in the trash. They wasted your time and theirs.

I hire a lot of people and many have had shaved heads, tats, beards or other personal style cues over the years. Many have been immigrants from Europe, central and south America, and a few from Africa. We work with the public but no longer in a retail setting. In 40 years of doing business it is rare for a client to complain about appearance but if they feel ignored or if the employee was rude or hostile they are quick to comment.

I have chosen not to hire based on employment history, personal hygiene, self-absorbed attitude, and in a few cases, simply too attractive. A few absolutely stunning women have applied for office positions and I would be working very closely with them. Far too much temptation in very close proximity... not going there. I simply chose someone "more uniquely qualified for the position".

jyl 03-10-2017 08:43 PM

She looks fine. This is a low end, main street retail job. If she is otherwise qualified, then her appearance is no problem.

Whether she is qualified, none of us really know. Expecting a Facebook page to read like a CV is silly; I imagine many of your FB pages wouldn't thrill a hiring manager. If her LinkedIn page read that way, that's a different story.

I agree with angela that something else may be going on. Unemployment in the UK is 4.9%, so they are overall at essentially full employment, like the US. Maybe she is a high school dropout or comes off weird or something.

DanielDudley 03-11-2017 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckelly78z (Post 9506220)
So many cute girls think that tattoos, multiple piercings, wild clothing, and multicolored hair give them character and individuality. I say, it really makes them like cheap whores......just completely not my style.

I can't believe the money they spend trying to look that way as well, could be better spent on some decent threads, and a nice haircut, to get that job they want.

I worked 15 years on a hot rubber factory production floor, before I got my nice A/Cd prototype job with the same company. Working like that 7 days a week for months on end builds some muscle, work ethic, and character that so many millenials could use.

What's a factory ? Oh, right. I think we used to have some of those.

jyl 03-11-2017 04:07 AM

We (the US) make plenty of stuff, our industrial production today is about 2X higher (adjusted for inflation) than in the 1970s. But we don't need as many workers or factories to do it.

fintstone 03-11-2017 07:37 AM

When I hire someone, I look at several things. 1) Will they fit in with my current staff, 2) will they get along with all of my customers, 3) will their appearance intimidate customers (unless hiring a bouncer or similar), 4) do they seem to have obvious issues or mental problems that might come back to haunt me/cost me customers or other good employees, 5) do they seem responsible, 6) do they have good judgment, 7) do they seem honest, 8) are they potentially a long term employee worth the effort to train?

By nature, most small business owners are and have to be very conservative as they generally do not have sufficient capital to make too many mistakes. One lawsuit will put you out of business...even if you win. Also, it is much , much harder to fire than to hire right in the first place. Although the woman is dressed ok, one would assume that a person look the best and most conservative when they are being interviewed and will look less put-together over time. If you hire a person with strange hair, visible tattoos and piercing implies that you find those as cool and acceptable as the wearer does. One can only assume that once they start getting a regular paycheck from you, they will add additional "art". The fact that she shaved the sides of her head (can't see it much in the one photo) to look like "tank girl" is enough to make me not hire her...similarly the visible tats and nose ring. If she wants a entry level job dealing with the public and is not smart enough to ensure that she has can cover up any art that she might have, then she is just not too bright. Posting attacks against a potential employer and her stupid rationale even further prevents her from getting a good job. To think employers cannot use the internet/google is silly.

If you have some sort of mad skills, you may well be able to do whatever you want. The rest of us have to remain within societal norms. Where I work, short hair and a dark suit are expected. If you interview differently, you will find it very difficult to overcome your image as the rest of your experience, skills, education are likely really not as special as you think.

Bob Kontak 03-11-2017 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBaron (Post 9506261)
Let's do a quick google search and see some of the images that come up...

Pretty conservative looking folks.

https://www.google.com/search?q=boots+drug+store&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CYk7jN yr5D0PIjjZHTNt8_1sJ625xSBEHjWFow26BB8iOkBxzsEdh9rD s0AYvNptDiWIEno3IbWhjHlJ58AuXNQRKiioSCdkdM23z-wnrEd4Ri2LZj8UhKhIJbnFIEQeNYWgR9yJIrDuz11QqEgnDboE HyI6QHBHt80FkYqXfrCoSCXOwR2H2sOzQESYWgirELtAoKhIJB i82m0OJYgQRox7x5N-iviYqEgmejchtaGMeUhHY2FpL6BfqkSoSCXnwC5c1BEqKEQnNP X9sIsEz&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT6KrRh8_SAhVLSCYKHY gQDOoQ9C8IGw&biw=1280&bih=868&dpr=1

Fast Freddy 944 03-13-2017 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckelly78z (Post 9506220)
So many cute girls think that tattoos, multiple piercings, wild clothing, and multicolored hair give them character and individuality. I say, it really makes them like cheap whores......just completely not my style.

I can't believe the money they spend trying to look that way as well, could be better spent on some decent threads, and a nice haircut, to get that job they want.

I worked 15 years on a hot rubber factory production floor, before I got my nice A/Cd prototype job with the same company. Working like that 7 days a week for months on end builds some muscle, work ethic, and character that so many millenials could use.

LOL!Yeup you are right, Time for the Millie's to get a factory job! There is no shame in it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1489465883.jpg


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