If I get drunk and stoned, steal your car, and almost kill someone..it's YOUR fault!!

[Taz's Master]

Originally Posted by JD159

I also don't understand the difference between trespassing and getting hurt, and trespassing, stealing and getting hurt - from a legal standpoint.

Just because you add theft shouldn't take liability away from the negligent property owner, if that owner was negligent.

What about the negligence of the parent(s)/guardian? Why wouldn't they be responsible for any damages including liability damages caused by their issue? I mean why should I need to fence my property to protect someone else's kids? Let them fence in their kids. If it is well known that kids do stupid things, their parents should monitor them, likewise, if it is well known adults do not always secure inherently dangerous objects, it should be obvious parents need to anticipate such potential activity protect their children, correct? So if the garage owner has damages assessed due to the kids, he should be able to collect from their parents.

[Hugh R]

An attractive nuisance? By that rationale, I shouldn't wear my Rolex in public, someone might be tempted to steal it....

[Spud]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

An attractive nuisance? By that rationale, I shouldn't wear my Rolex in public, someone might be tempted to steal it....

That's right Hugh.. and then if they were wearing your stolen watch and missed their appointment with their parole officer you would then be held responsible...

[island911]

Originally Posted by 2porscheguy

A truly Canadian WTF judgement.....!!!

Ontario garage owner gets chance to fight liability for teen injured in stolen car crash | National Post

OK, a bit of a dumbazz for leaving the keys in the ashtray of an unlocked vehicle in an unlocked garage.....but still...?!?

So, the person in the wrong here is the one who made the car too easy to steal? Because hiding keys in an unlocked car is against the law?

Sure.... why not. Property owners pay all the taxes, why not make them responsible for the theft-safety of thieves too...

[wildthing]

Yeah and girls shouldn't wear revealing clothes.

[Mark Henry]

Originally Posted by look 171

I think this is just the beginning and its going to get a lot worst. I have seen a little bit of the good old days, but I am afraid that's in our rear view mirrors now. Really sad

In Canada today statistically we have the lowest crime rate since 1969.
Property crime the lowest since 1967.

So much for that theory...at least in this neck of the woods.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by look 171

I think this is just the beginning and its going to get a lot worst. I have seen a little bit of the good old days, but I am afraid that's in our rear view mirrors now. Really sad

So is a 50 cent pack of cigarettes and 30 cent gas. Deal with it and lock your doors without the keys in the ash tray.

[JD159]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

What about the negligence of the parent(s)/guardian? Why wouldn't they be responsible for any damages including liability damages caused by their issue? I mean why should I need to fence my property to protect someone else's kids? Let them fence in their kids. If it is well known that kids do stupid things, their parents should monitor them, likewise, if it is well known adults do not always secure inherently dangerous objects, it should be obvious parents need to anticipate such potential activity protect their children, correct? So if the garage owner has damages assessed due to the kids, he should be able to collect from their parents.

They are responsible for some damages. The store owner is responsible for 1/3 of the damages.

[JD159]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

So is a 50 cent pack of cigarettes and 30 cent gas. Deal with it and lock your doors without the keys in the ash tray.

But if I want to leave my cars doors unlocked in an area with high theft I am damn well entitled to do so!!!

And millennials are the entitled generation....

[2porscheguy]

Originally Posted by look 171

I think this is just the beginning and its going to get a lot worst. I have seen a little bit of the good old days, but I am afraid that's in our rear view mirrors now. Really sad

Totally agree! BUT the ones who may suffer the most might just be the youth that we are trying so GD much to "protect"! Think about it...who's going to want to hire a youth for his/her potentially first menial job if there's a risk that little Timmy or our precious little Kim gets injured while at your place of business....oh, she cut her finger clearing tables and now she has trouble texting or he dropped a wrench on his big toe and now he can't play his favourite race car video game....

When I was 15 (though I looked like I was about 12!) I got my first job as a busboy at a fairly high end golf course club house restaurant. The third week in, one evening the bartender doesn't show up for his shift. The manager comes over and says "Alex, I need you to tend the bar tonight." I was given a quick crash course on bar tending and off I went.....12 year old bartender! The club members all had a quick laugh when they came up to the bar for drinks but I held my own and that was it....actually did really good in the tip department! I later told my mom and dad and they just laughed....good on ya son! Could you just imagine the furor today? Not only breaking all liquor laws but I would have been so "traumatized for life that I would most likely have turned into a teen alcoholic thereby requiring assistance for the rest of my life as I would have been incapable of being a productive member of society!"....could have been an easy $5M!!

[look 171]

That's child abuse today. No, not kidding. Owner will go to jail

[Taz's Master]

Originally Posted by JD159

But if I want to leave my cars doors unlocked in an area with high theft I am damn well entitled to do so!!!

And millennials are the entitled generation....

So, if it isn't a high theft area, not negligence?

[look 171]

Originally Posted by look 171

That's child abuse today. No, not kidding. Owner will go to jail

Most will turn a blind eye and let the kid make a few bucks. The sad thing is, someone will call and turn them in. Oh, the children, the poor children, we must do something to protect them

[Taz's Master]

I left my car unlocked and parked on the street, and it was broken into and possessions were stolen. Several other cars on the street had the same thing happen, but my window wasn't broken because my doors were unlocked. Other cars on the street had their windows smashed. Since this was an entirely foreseeable event and easily prevented (as my actions showed), if the thief had cut himself on broken glass would the door-lockers have been negligent?

[JD159]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

So, if it isn't a high theft area, not negligence?

The judge would be viewing the case differently. It was acknowledged that there has been a history of theft and no actions by the owner to prevent it. Joyridings are common in the area as well.

Known lot with unlocked cars + joyridings teens = should probably lock cars.

[island911]

Parents had better start locking away car keys, in their houses. I mean, just leaving them in a bowl?

Personally I find it amazing that the snowflakes get so much power to make others responsible for their shenanigans.

[john70t]

If the owner installed high fences, with barbed wire, it would greatly increase the chance of people getting hurt while breaking in.

If the cars were more difficult to steal, people could cut themselves on the dash, or suffer more bumps and bruises in the process.

So the lot owner did the right thing by leaving his property wide open.
Thus the culpability falls upon the police for not preventing the action.
And PRIMARILY upon the court system for creating such a litigious business environment.

[2porscheguy]

Originally Posted by JD159

The judge would be viewing the case differently. It was acknowledged that there has been a history of theft and no actions by the owner to prevent it. Joyridings are common in the area as well.

Known lot with unlocked cars + joyridings teens = should probably lock cars.

Let me fix that...

+lock up teens

[JD159]

Originally Posted by island911

Parents had better start locking away car keys, in their houses. I mean, just leaving them in a bowl?

Personally I find it amazing that the snowflakes get so much power to make others responsible for their shenanigans.

That isn't the snowflakes fault. Blame the litigious generation that came before.

[2porscheguy]

Originally Posted by look 171

That's child abuse today. No, not kidding. Owner will go to jail

YES....plus undoubtedly a civil suit from parents.