What actions are those, please enlighten me

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^^^^^ Good picture montage ^^^^

You had dig back a few years with the one picture though, was that from the V10 era?

Just for fairness can you post up some recent American car manufacturer F1 engine failure pictures as a comparison.

Honda world championship motorsport programmes have as much to do with nurturing their future road car designers/engineers through this type of extremely fast paced less success/more failure environment as they have to do with winning.

I've had first hand experience of this and didn't fully understand their approach too but it became crystal clear once I'd visited Honda's automotive design facility in Japan.

I think it is a well deserved result for Honda and Japan today.

Motorsport fans should be thankful automotive companies like Honda are prepared to put their reputations on the line in such a public way. If it wasn't for Honda the Indy 500 would be a single manufacture race with little world wide credibility which would be a shame for such an historic race.

I thought I was going to watch, but ended up doing something else instead, with the thought "his car is just going to blow up anyways."

Should have said...
I wonder if the people at Honda know how much Alonzo thinks they suck right now.

I guess even a blind sow eventually finds corn.

I agree with what you're saying, but I don't understand how an HR excercise will end up winning the WDC. Remember the Ilmor-Mercedes? After the FIA banned aluminum beryllium engines, and Morgan died it went to the pits. It took years for them to act like a proper engine builder.

Your point was well-reinforced when the announcers went on and on about all the Chevrolet engine failures they've experienced this month at Indy! :rolleyes:

#hondasux

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/scary-indianapolis-500-incidents-indycar-stop-open-cockpits-immediately-213422249.html

Love reading the comments at the bottom. This guy just doesn't get it.

I think Alonso had a terrific race and could have won it, and as far as his car, it performed quite well. After all it's a tough race run mostly flat out and his car lasted to within 20 laps. So Honda, IMO have nothing to be ashamed of.

Also on a bit of a bright spot, the F1 McLaren did quite well also with good quali positions and if Button could have started where he quali'ed would probably had a points haul. I think both engines (F1) lasted to the end, I think accident and brakes put them out.

I guess you don't understand why Honda is in motorsports. It's not an HR exercise. There are two reasons, really and one of them has to do with their longstanding philosophy of growing their younger engineering talent in a very challenging arena. Maybe they could have more success in motorsports if they staffed their programs exclusively with 30 year veterans of race engineering but this would probably have an adverse impact, long-term, on the quality and technological innovations of the cars and bikes they design.

I thought Alonso acquitted himself very well. One of the announcers made the comment after he was out of the race that he'd had the highest average lap speed of all of the drivers, at least up to that point. It would have been interesting to see what he was able to do in the last 20 laps.

I thought the race was interesting and I'm happy that Sato won it.

might be true but honda has not made a good car since the s2000, so ...

Extremely impressed with Alonso's run at Indy this year. He knew the track and his car very well. He was good in the draft and excellent in the lead. He will win Indy in the near future. This trip was good PR for McLaren, F1, IndyCar and Honda.

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If you don't believe me, then listen to Fast Freddy Spencer. They were balls to the wall under Saichiro-san. Not like the timid self-preserving bureacrats over there now.

I think the real bottom line on what Honda wants out of any racing program is just the same as Porsche and Mercedes want for racing. To push the envelope, and develop new technology and manufacturing techniques to make a winning car like the previous edition of Honda F1 cars back when when they won.

Right now in F1 the class of the field for the last three years is Mercedes followed buy Ferrari and Red Bull. The back markers and beginners like HAAS are given a bit of a pass because they are small teams. McLaren/Honda is the opposite of the beginner low budget team in history and budget. They are at the very bottom of the manufactures list. HASS has 8 points, Renault has 6 Sauber and McLaren have ZERO.

In Indy car, they managed a win. Congratulations to them.

"Fast Freddie Spencer": It's not a matter of just go out and do the best you can. At that level, it is war".

Lets face it. Honda has long dominated motorcycle racing, what with 65 constructor's world championships to their credit. As engine constructors, they have a further 6 in F1.

Lots of companies would like to have that pedigree.

JR

I don't believe you, dragging up decade old clips of a by-gone age of motorsport doesn't give your views much credibility.

Javadog, GH85Carrerra and others on here get it, why don't you?

rusak I really need to take you out for a beer or more and explain how the big complicated world of modern-era F1 works as it's very different to the inaccurate picture you are trying to paint.

Honda have so many lessons to learn and experience/knowledge to catch up on, just trying to keep up with the pace of current power unit developments is hard enough. Trying to play catch up will be as close to impossible as impossible can be.

Honda may never catch up but it won't be from a lack of balls to the wall or self preserving approach. It will be because Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault are doing just that tiny bit better of a job than Honda and that is all it takes between being a winner and a loser.

^ Oh well that totally changes my mind then.

Or not. So hard to explain, I know.

Again, you are confusing the past with the now.

Ahh, horsecrap. They won the MotoGP title again last year. Look how many they've won in the last 10 years.

JR