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motion 04-25-2017 11:43 AM

I used a GPS for directions... how the hell did I get here?
 
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/25/apple-ai-expert-computers-augment-human-failings/

This stuff has the potential to really ruin the human civilization. I'm an old guy and tech is already ruining my ability to think on my feet and solve problems quickly and efficiently.

I can't get anywhere efficiently without my GPS. Use a paper map while riding a motorbike? No thanks.

I don't know anyone's phone number.

I can't remember most people's birthdays.

It goes on and on. I can see a day in the not too distant future when most human's minds are just mush. Their embedded intelligence units will be doing all their thinking for them.

vash 04-25-2017 12:08 PM

preaching to the choir.

i still remember my first ever home phone number. you know the one. the one your parents drilled into your feeble developing brain just in case you need to tell the cop or fireman. i learned it when i was 3 or 4. and i can remember the firing order of a small block chevy.

now? i can barely remember my current cell phone number.
when i moved to my new city, i made a promise to myself not to use GPS maps to navigate. just got lost and wandered. i now know where everything is. my wife is lost. she is best if she went home and then went to various spots. spot to spot..whoa. ask Siri.

scottmandue 04-25-2017 12:10 PM

I hear ya...
I had GPS save my bacon once "major accident ahead, freeway shutdown, take alternate route."
However half a dozen times the same GPS has sent me off on a wild goose chase.
I was on my was on my way to a memorial service and my low tech friend was ridding shotgun, I get off the freeway and my friend speaks up "your going the wrong way." I point at the GPS and he says "screw that thing I know where we are going."
He was right the GPS was wrong.

Bob Kontak 04-25-2017 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 9564315)
i still remember my first ever home phone number.

Oxford 3-5625 was mine.

Cripes, I had to do intra-period inter-company bond eliminations for financial consolidations by hand on the CPA exam. Division and multiplication in my head. It was moderate monkey math but still, you had to do it fast, and with practice you could, "easily". That was 1983.

JD159 04-25-2017 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 9564275)
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/25/apple-ai-expert-computers-augment-human-failings/

I can't get anywhere efficiently without my GPS. Use a paper map while riding a motorbike? No thanks.

I don't know anyone's phone number.

I can't remember most people's birthdays.
There embedded intelligence units will be doing all their thinking for them.

You hit the nail on the head, kind of.

So what you can't remember a phone number? So what you forget birthdays and your phone reminds you? Map vs gps?? Just open Google maps and read the digital map.

Technology will allow people to free up useless memory hogs so that (hopefully) more time can be applied to solving real problems.

If you aren't willing to adapt, you better hope you die off before it becomes even more pervasive. I'm doing everything I can to try and think a few years ahead because if you blink you are already behind. The future is scary and uncertain but there is no stopping it, like it or not.

74-911 04-25-2017 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 9564316)
I hear ya...

However half a dozen times the same GPS has sent me off on a wild goose chase.
I was on my was on my way to a memorial service and my low tech friend was ridding shotgun, I get off the freeway and my friend speaks up "your going the wrong way." I point at the GPS and he says "screw that thing I know where we are going."
He was right the GPS was wrong.

I recently made a 7 hour drive from Houston to N. TX, a drive I've made many times. Decided to use the GPS in my 2015 F150 just to check it out. It sent me way out of the way twice, adding about 30 minutes to the trip. Made no sense at all what it did ? Kind of destroys your confidence in it if I had to use it to get somewhere where I really needed it.

You guys must not have grown up in the good old days in the sticks, my first phone number was: 191 --- told that to the operator after she said "number please".

GG Allin 04-25-2017 12:37 PM

Drove a truck around the Chicagoland area for 10+ years. Only used a 6 county map book. I used to study that thing like a mental patient. When I go somewhere I have to look on a map to see where I've been. Never do I use a GPS. I can still get around here blindfolded.

rwest 04-25-2017 12:39 PM

I have a loose rule of only using the GPS twice to the same place after that I should be able to find it on my own. Having my "rule" makes me think about where I'm going and probably helps my sense of direction.

KFC911 04-25-2017 12:47 PM

I still remember the serial number from my Schwinn banana seat bicycle from 50 years ago....I was 6 :). But I have developed a CRAFT over the years too...

Can't Remember A Freakin' Thing!

I'm fantastic with numbers and things I read....absolutely horrible with names and faces however...

Dantilla 04-25-2017 12:51 PM

I recently read an article(Outside magazine, December 2016) about the studies that show reliance on GPS units withers the brain's sense of direction, which is an early indicator of Alzheimer's.

Use it or lose it. -Your brain, same as muscles.

stevej37 04-25-2017 12:52 PM

I've noticed a lot of under 30's that just don't know compass directions at all. Mention a direction and they get a blank look on there face and ask if right or left.

rusnak 04-25-2017 12:59 PM

I'd be OK with it, if Siri had a voice like Tony Stark's "Friday" and answered "Yes, Boss" to my commands.

GH85Carrera 04-25-2017 01:06 PM

I remember reading an Issac Asimov story back when I was a young'un.

It described the far off future when everyone would be connected to a massive computer and they would carry around their personal scheduler and data terminal. As I remember he described it as the faint red glow of the display of text and numbers. No graphics just text and numbers and certainly not a phone.

Now I think back on how much his imagination under estimated our modern smart phones. My iPhone is connected to the internet of course and I can watch high def movies, and have a video phone call with people in other countries or down the block. It has more computing power than super computers from the era he was living in.

I lived for most of my life without a cell phone and GPS. I could go without if I had to, but I sure don't want to.

fred cook 04-25-2017 01:06 PM

The mind...........
 
is a terrible thing to waste! Many years ago, my mother bought my dad a small calculator to use at his office. One day when I was there, I noticed the calculator was nowhere in sight. I asked him about it and he pointed to a desk drawer. I asked why he wasn't using it and he told me that he had noticed that his ability to work numbers in his head was being diminished by using the calculator so he put it away. He could take a long column of multi digit numbers and add the columns as fast as he could run his finger down the page! Never knew anyone else that could do that as well! Don't think he ever used the calculator again!

scottmandue 04-25-2017 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 9564384)
I'd be OK with it, if Siri had a voice like Tony Stark's "Friday" and answered "Yes, Boss" to my commands.

You can program it to do that, my friend has his Moto programmed with a sexy female voice and to call him master.

How often are you in training filling out forms and they ask for your phone number and people start digging for their cell phone? (not me, that is one number I do have memorized).

I did get a new phone, then had to call in sick... and realized I had lost all my work numbers.

I have lived in L.A. my whole life, yeah it is a big place and there are times I need help finding my way... however it is highly annoying when my wife whips out her phone and starts giving me directions to someplace I have been before.

I'm much more likely to google maps something and print out the directions, but of course if you are away form your computer that is not always possible.

motion 04-25-2017 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 9564322)
Technology will allow people to free up useless memory hogs so that (hopefully) more time can be applied to solving real problems.

And therein lies the crux of the problem. I believe people will have a natural tendency to use those freed up resources to bring more pleasure, rather than problem solving. Entertainment, stuff that feels good, etc. The vast majority of people will always follow the path of least resistence.

RKDinOKC 04-25-2017 01:27 PM

Knew my Dad's CB License number, KEH-4697 before the home phone number. He said it would get help faster than our home phone number. Got in trouble in Kindergarten because I told the teacher it was better than the phone number and wouldn't tell her the phone number.

I always use google maps to try to familiarize myself with a new area before relying on the GPS to get me around. Alway check the pictures of the destinations.

Phone numbers, Don't know any phone numbers except for 411, city and state. Always just say, call, the name, and home, mobile, or work.

Jim Richards 04-25-2017 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 9564403)
And therein lies the crux of the problem. I believe people will have a natural tendency to use those freed up resources to bring more pleasure, rather than problem solving.

My natural tendency...solving the problem of how to bring about more pleasure. :D

Jolly Amaranto 04-25-2017 01:29 PM

I have to exercise my old brain every time my "smart" phone is updated. I have to learn how to use it all over again. It seems everything in moved or done differently. Can't they just leave things alone so us old curmudgeons don't have to keep relearning everything?

GH85Carrera 04-25-2017 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolly Amaranto (Post 9564434)
I have to exercise my old brain every time my "smart" phone is updated. I have to learn how to use it all over again. It seems everything in moved or done differently. Can't they just leave things alone so us old curmudgeons don't have to keep relearning everything?

We got my 80+ year old MIL a iPhone and an iPad. They operate pretty much the same. My wife has the same setup and can play tech support for her mom. She (the MIL) admitted it was her lifeline and she would never give them up. She reads tons of books, plays some games, does puzzles, and texts more than I do. Of course she has two grandsons and 5 great grand kids all with cell phones so texting is the best way to communicate with them.

rusnak 04-25-2017 01:52 PM

I'm telling my phone to talk like "Friday" and it's not doing it

Bob Kontak 04-25-2017 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 9564403)
I believe people will have a natural tendency to use those freed up resources to bring more pleasure, rather than problem solving.

+1 Brain twinkies are more fun.

Who needs to solve a damned thing when there is Pewdiepie on Youtube.

scottmandue 04-25-2017 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 9564475)
I'm telling my phone to talk like "Friday" and it's not doing it

I can't help you there but I'm sure there must be a few sexy woman voices you can pick from, maybe don't be so specific (or try using the actress name?).

I just use the British female voice in Waze ;)

rusnak 04-25-2017 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 9564613)
I can't help you there but I'm sure there must be a few sexy woman voices you can pick from, maybe don't be so specific (or try using the actress name?).

I just use the British female voice in Waze ;)

Sad trombone: "wuh, waahh"!

masraum 04-25-2017 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 9564475)
I'm telling my phone to talk like "Friday" and it's not doing it

Yeah, I think I've looked into that before (not "Friday", but a change), and I think we're stuck with (on Apple, at least) the built in male and female voices.

I was so stoked that Waze had the Top Gear guys doing the direction for Waze for a bit. I downloaded and used the app just because of that. What I didn't realize was that it was a limited time thing. I'm bummed. I'd pay $1 just to get their voices back. I've pretty much quit using Waze just because they aren't the voice any more. But I have to say, the Waze traffic avoidance and incident reporting does seem superior to Apple or Google.

legion 04-25-2017 04:52 PM

I like to play a game. I set a route in my GPS and see if I can beat the time by using my knowledge of local routes. I usually do.

wildthing 04-25-2017 05:27 PM

I used to memorize phone numbers. But back then, phone numbers only had 4 digits. (Small town, local service.)

I would like to think the memory I save from not remembering phone numbers are used for better things.

look 171 04-25-2017 05:41 PM

I have been in this city for more then 45 years of my life and have been to almost every corner of socal before GPS. I know this city very well, and refuse to use GPS but I usually find my way, but to get to a certain address, I give in and have to look at Goggle map. I get around OK. Anything that has to do with numbers? Forget it. I must write it down. At 50, my short term memory is going or I no longer make it a point to remember them.

GH85Carrera 04-25-2017 05:52 PM

When driving around the metro area I can get around fine if I have an address. The real challenge is some neighborhoods. They can be illogical and deliberately set up to not be friendly to strangers. I will give up and whip out my phone to get me in it out of some neighborhoods. Once I am back to a main road I turn it off.

JJ 911SC 04-25-2017 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 9564318)
Oxford 3-5625 was mine...

You are dating yourself... Beats the TV 555-

group911@aol.co 04-25-2017 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 9564322)
You hit the nail on the head, kind of.

So what you can't remember a phone number? So what you forget birthdays and your phone reminds you? Map vs gps?? Just open Google maps and read the digital map.

Technology will allow people to free up useless memory hogs so that (hopefully) more time can be applied to solving real problems.

If you aren't willing to adapt, you better hope you die off before it becomes even more pervasive. I'm doing everything I can to try and think a few years ahead because if you blink you are already behind. The future is scary and uncertain but there is no stopping it, like it or not.

Right up until the machine quits. The brain is a muscle.

Drbraunsr 04-25-2017 08:35 PM

Quote:

i still remember my first ever home phone number. you know the one. the one your parents drilled into your feeble developing brain just in case you need to tell the cop or fireman. i learned it when i was 3 or 4. and i can remember the firing order of a small block chevy.
1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 Still can't recall the firing order on my flat six.

DIckens 4-6298

KFC911 04-25-2017 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drbraunsr (Post 9564965)
1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 Still can't recall the firing order on my flat six.

DIckens 4-6298

1-6-2-4-3-5....and BR-549 :).

Disable the Internet and we have become a nation of idiots imo...

Hee-haw :(

Holger 04-25-2017 11:06 PM

They are telling us that the technology and digitalization will bring up free time for us to be more creative. Yeah, sure, I will sit here, doing 50% less work and be 50% more creative, sure, my company will allow that to happen! I am sure 50% of the people will have to leave the company instead and I will have 100% work again.
BS at a high Level IMO!

We have the Industriemesse here in Hanover right now. Industry 4.0, Robots, Cobots and what not.
They interviewed the target industry, the middle class companies. They told the reporters that robots are not what they are looking for in any way, it is just a hype, just like the digitalization. Most of them still receive the orders by fax, email or phone. And they see no need to change that at all.

legion 04-26-2017 04:59 AM

When I go to one place in town, my (Garmin) GPS always wants me to take a small service road there that has been closed for over a decade. Anyone know how to remove that road?

legion 04-26-2017 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holger (Post 9565048)
They are telling us that the technology and digitalization will bring up free time for us to be more creative.

This has been the promise for 100+ years. The washing machine was supposed to make life simpler because we no longer had to spend a full day doing the week's laundry by hand. We have invented to problems to fill the void.

JD159 04-26-2017 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 9565168)
This has been the promise for 100+ years. The washing machine was supposed to make life simpler because we no longer had to spend a full day doing the week's laundry by hand. We have invented to problems to fill the void.

Ya, like fixing old Porsche's for grins, and posting on pelican. I'ma gonna keep using my washing machine, it makes my life way more enjoyable.SmileWavy

flatbutt 04-26-2017 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 9564275)
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/25/apple-ai-expert-computers-augment-human-failings/

This stuff has the potential to really ruin the human civilization. I'm an old guy and tech is already ruining my ability to think on my feet and solve problems quickly and efficiently.

I can't get anywhere efficiently without my GPS. Use a paper map while riding a motorbike? No thanks.

I don't know anyone's phone number.

I can't remember most people's birthdays.

It goes on and on. I can see a day in the not too distant future when most human's minds are just mush. Their embedded intelligence units will be doing all their thinking for them.

I only use paper maps on my bike trips EXCEPT when I need to find fuel. Of course I ended up in Tennessee when I thought I was in NC last year but what the hey, I found a great chicken shack!

scottmandue 04-26-2017 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9564684)
Yeah, I think I've looked into that before (not "Friday", but a change), and I think we're stuck with (on Apple, at least) the built in male and female voices.

I was so stoked that Waze had the Top Gear guys doing the direction for Waze for a bit. I downloaded and used the app just because of that. What I didn't realize was that it was a limited time thing. I'm bummed. I'd pay $1 just to get their voices back. I've pretty much quit using Waze just because they aren't the voice any more. But I have to say, the Waze traffic avoidance and incident reporting does seem superior to Apple or Google.

I have the free Waze app and Jeremy Clarkson's voice is still there... at least it was before I switched to the female voice.

GH85Carrera 04-26-2017 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 9564940)
Right up until the machine quits. The brain is a muscle.

OK, I presume you are speaking in a metaphor. The brain is no more a muscle than the liver is. No doubt one can forget how to solve problems or do complex things if you stop doing them regularly. That does not make the brain a muscle.


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