How to lose muscle mass in three easy steps!

[Dantilla]

Step 1: Tear the biceps tendon at the elbow

Step 2: Go to Urgent Care where they put the arm in a sling for "several weeks".

Hey! I managed to do in in only two steps! I will lose a tiny bit of strength every day for "several weeks". How about that!

[svandamme]

Piiiiics !

[pwd72s]

How did you do step one? Something macho I hope?

[wayner]

My daughter sees this'll the time. Guy comes in for an emergency operation. His bicep has disappeared up inside his shoulder.

One guy was from a golf swing, another from lifting modest weights.

The common thing is it is always a 40+ guy who has gotten out of shape and then decides to become a weekend worrier again and jumps right back in not realizing how much the inactivity has taken its toll in the few years prior.


Her advice is to keep moving every day and use stuff.
Stress stuff moderately at least.

As a teenager we used to get away with spurts of activity but we lose it so quick as we get older that it becomes a constant struggle to not erode.

One guy here said someone gave him the advice not to start lifting weights until he could do 50 push ups, I think I would add light arm curls to that too.

If it s form working out, we keep getting out heads filled with this idea that we gotta go heavy to build mass. Thats untrue.

What they have found is that (unless your preparing for competition but even then) high reps build mass also. Many cyclists never do squats but look at their legs.

Constant high rep stuff, not only do you still build size, but also has the benefit of building DENSER muscles (more granular micro tears to rebuild and cause growth rather than fewer with higher weights).

So, this advice was not given for the guy who is competing in a body building competition, but for the 40+ guy

The downside of high rep stuff is the time commitment but look at gymnasts and cyclists.
constant repetitive activities do have advantages.

For the non gym guy, constant activity keeps all the of the parts strong, including the tendons and ligaments. I also think it keeps the joint lubricated, at least thats what I like to tell myself when Ive got to get out of the habit of not moving enough.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

How did you do step one? Something macho I hope?

I could tell you an amazing story of adventure while climbing Mt. Everest.....

....or I could tell the truth.

Just moving some heavy/awkward stuff, twisted a bit sideways and felt/heard a tear in the elbow. Then finished up what I was doing, just being careful to do 90% with the other hand only. After a few days, it was definitely not getting any better on its own.

Thanks for the comments, wayner-
This was not uncommon activity. For that matter, pretty benign. A couple weeks ago I was manhandling 12-foot sheets of sheetrock by myself while building a wall.
I guess when hanging sheets with no help, one must plan each move prior to lifting.

Mine is just a partial tear. The bicep hasn't balled up towards the shoulder.
Doc at Urgent Care said it will most likely heal without surgery, but referred me to an orthopedic surgeon for a more thorough look. We'll see what he says in a few days.

[Dantilla]

I busted up my other hand a few years ago, and was shocked how much strength was lost after a few weeks of non-use.
-Lifting the 33" wheel/tire combo on and off the Jeep had never been a struggle before!
-First time 5-gallon buckets of paint felt heavy!

I mounted a pull-up bar in the garage to regain strength just a few pull-ups at a time. Usually just two or three whenever I walk through the garage.
Looks like it will be a while before I begin the process again....

[KFC911]

Have you posted in the "old coots" thread yet ? About three years ago, I'm almost certain that I fractured my Tibia right below the knee, similar to what I experienced 30 years ago playing b-ball. Excruciating pain while bending my leg, but only during a short range of the motion, and I could walk OK...but I took it easy for a few weeks while it healed. I remembered how much my leg atrophied while in a full leg cast back then, and how hard I rehabbed it, and how long it took to rebuild the muscles....that leg is more "cut", even today. 3-4 weeks later, the pain was gone (healed up fine btw). Mid-50s at the time....I shudder to think what my leg would have looked like, and what it would have taken to rebuild it at my age if in a cast again. Best of luck!

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

I could tell you an amazing story of adventure while climbing Mt. Everest.....

....or I could tell the truth.

Just moving some heavy/awkward stuff, twisted a bit sideways and felt/heard a tear in the elbow.




....Thanks for the comments, wayner-
This was not uncommon activity. For that matter, pretty benign. A couple weeks ago I was manhandling 12-foot sheets of sheetrock by myself while building a wall.
I guess when hanging sheets with no help, one must plan each move prior to lifting.

I like the Everest story :-)

Yours is s good warning though for the rest of us

Before my daughter brought it to my attention I didn't even know that it was a thing let alone a risk.

I'm constantly amazed at how quickly I lose strength as I've gotten older
I think your thread is a great warning for everyone like me who hasnt yet realized
The risk and just how common it is, which is why I added to it

Hope your on the mend soon ( make sure you do the physio. I'm a compulsive do-it-yourselfer and I know I'm suffering more now from last injuries because I cut physio short

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

Step 1: Tear the biceps tendon at the elbow

Step 2: Go to Urgent Care where they put the arm in a sling for "several weeks".

Hey! I managed to do in in only two steps! I will lose a tiny bit of strength every day for "several weeks". How about that!

BTDT years and years ago in a rugby match. But mine came off of the bone and required surgery. Arm in a hard cast for weeks and took a full year of rehab to get muscle back to near original strength. Then there was the broken leg...

[Rodsrsr]

That sucks. Gotta stay active guys. IMO if you don't lift weights you will deteriorate much sooner and at a significantly faster rate as opposed to someone who lifts. For whatever reason I started lifting weights at around 16 and never stopped, usually training 4 to 5 times per week back then. I only lift once a week now, but pretty heavy, although I would not recommend heavy weight training for someone starting out later in life. I believe starting at an early age allows the joints and connective tissues sufficient time to strengthen, relative to the weight you are lifting. The flip side is, I have extremely tight shoulders from guess what...heavy weight lifting, so there is a cost, but the benefits greatly out weigh the tightness and injuries you may experience. I would recommend no more than 3x per week with light to moderate weight for anyone over 40 who is starting out.

[Noah930]

How do you know it is only a partial tear? MRI?

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by Noah930

How do you know it is only a partial tear?

That was the diagnosis after a quick look at Urgent care. No imaging yet. She was pretty certain after watching both biceps as I moved both forearms up and down.
Injured side is painful when flexing the bicep, even lifting the empty hand. But it will lift. No big ball of muscle (not that I have big muscle anyway) near the shoulder.
I am to arrive early to the orthopedic office for x-rays. I'm sure they will show nothing since there is not a bone issue, but x-rays are usually required before an MRI.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

That sucks. Gotta stay active guys. IMO if you don't lift weights you will deteriorate much sooner and at a significantly faster rate as opposed to someone who lifts. ...

I've never liked working out at the gym. I've always liked plenty of outdoor activity. Living outside Seattle has been tough to keep active enough during our dreary Winter.
I'm not doing construction stuff full-time anymore, so I'm going to have to be more pro-active with the activity level. Leaving the damp Puget Sound area might be a good start!

[Don Ro]

Tearing bicep...that must hurt like hell!!!
.
The closest I got to that was when working with my crew one day...lifting heavy items. I was extremely fit but I traumatized both biceps.
For a week or so I couldn't even lift a coffee pot.
My g/f at the time was a personal trainer..."Do your abs, they're muscles of endurance...your biceps will heal."
They did, but I learned my lesson to not ask so much of them.

[pwd72s]

As I type this, I'm taking this easy, waiting for two broken ribs to heal. Othr injuries that hamper function are a snapped tendon in my left shoulder, a snapped foot ligament in my left foot. I talked to MD's about both and got the "at your age" speech.

I figure that at 73, I'm pushing the actuary tables. The truth is, nobody beats father time and there isn't much future in old age.

[wayner]

I hear that a torn Achiles is in the race with bicep for most common.

I think that is relevant for us cars guys pushing old clunkers around

[Tobra]

Achilles rupture is fairly common in the weekend warrior set, especially when you hit 35-40. 3 things happen as you get older, lose bone density, lose lean muscle mass and lose flexibility. For men, this is gradual, for women it is more abrupt, when they hit menopause and their estrogen levels drop.

Dan, have you taken any antibiotics lately?

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

Step 1: Tear the biceps tendon at the elbow

I did that about a year ago, it took about ten months to heal.

Mine wasn't as bad as yours, but I dared not even try doing a push up.

As I recall I took a week or so off, then swam every day for about five months. I was swimming a hour at a time regularly, many times for 1-1/2 hours. My lats really took over my physique at that point. I slowly got back into full body exercising but it took another five months before I tried a curl.

I've been doing curls again for the past couple of months, been keeping it to a mere 15 lbs a side, 50 reps and 3-4 sets of them. I feel it working, low weight is the way to go, going to burn a lot more calories that way too.

Do not hyper-extend the muscle, and don''t watch any Youtube videos from guys calling themselves sixpack or some nonsense that are half your age, they are idiots and will get you hurt.

Come the middle of this month it will be two years of exercising six days a week. A real a transformation has taken place, but the few injuries I've experienced have been minor setbacks that I have worked around and adjusted to.

Leaning down and increasing flexibility are this summer's goals. Over the winter it was building a chest and some mass which I got a fair start on. The year before was all about getting my waist smaller, took off 5"-6".

All I can tell you is what worked for me, swimming and time worked. I was also taught some wrist/hand stretches that may have helped at first.

[gsxrken]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Dan, have you taken any antibiotics lately?

As in quinilones? My urologist suggests these for prostatitis flare ups unless one is still very active in sports or fitness activities. Tendon ruptures at a much greater incidence, evidently.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

As I type this, I'm taking this easy, waiting for two broken ribs to heal.

I once broke three ribs. Far, far worse than a silly torn tendon!
Broken ribs were far worse than a shattered femur.

When the arm is wrapped and in the sling, there is no pain. There is no escaping broken ribs.