why do you suppose everyone has a hard-on for California

[BeyGon]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

And the coast form San Francisco to Oregon is spectacular... but it is our little secret so don't tell anyone okay?

I would say that about the whole coast of California. Even in the cities. More good looking women then people can imagine.

[Hugh R]

Originally Posted by Palum6o

The pizza sucks, still can't seem to find a good New York style pizza anywhere.

I'm looking at leaving and spending 1/2 my time in CA and 1/2 in Eastern PA where my daughter and two grandsons live. You can't find good Mexican, (back there, they think Taco Bell is Mexican food), Japanese or any other Asian ethnic food there. The norm seems to be cheese steaks and not great pizza.

[RonDent]

My little Part of the State. Monterey Bay

I was born and raised in California. I grow up outside of Sacramento (Orangevale). Moved to San Jose in the mid 70's. Boy have things changed. I remember drive to SF when I was a kid, miles of open fields between our house and the City. Not so much any more. I live in a small agricultural town, Watsonville. Half way between Santa Cruz and Monterey. Sure I have a bit of a drive to work every day. 60 mins to and 90 mins home. But I've seen worse. You could ask for a more beautiful area to live in. Did I mention we have a race track 30 mins away. It's a small track. Maybe you've heard of it, Laguna Seca? They've been holding the little gathering of Porsches there. Boy were those fun to watch. I've have to post some of the vid's and pictures from there sometime.

When my ex-in-laws moved here from Ohio, my father-in-law referred to Ca. as the land of fruits and nuts. Funny thing was all the fruits and nuts I know were from Ohio. Sorry Ohio. I don't blame you.

[vash]

Originally Posted by Palum6o

The pizza sucks, still can't seem to find a good New York style pizza anywhere.

1. Pizzaiolo in Temescal?

2. or Boot and Shoe service in Oakland?

3. i was buzzing from wine, but i got a GREAT thin crust pizza a DOPO in oakland.

4. this place in SF i cant never remember the name

disclaimer..i cannot remember what pizza in NYC taste like. been a while.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

I love living in CA, been here since 1979. I literally drove out from Boston after graduating from UMASS, Amherst with $50 when I arrived. I plan on keeping a Townhouse here to visit my son and split my time between CA and PA where my daughter and two grandsons live. CA is great if you earn a good living, but a little expensive if you're retired for what you get. I'll be a PA resident and save a boat load in taxes and vehicle registrations, electric and water bills.

The first Tourists to CA were the Spanish back in the 16TH century. Their commentary was that the Native (Indians) were an indolent lot of low moral character. One could think that it was the sun that baked their cabeza's and fried their brains. However upon reflection one could come up with the rationale that livin in CA was easy livin, in that the weather was temperate and food was plentiful because of that. So that the natives didn't have to struggle to make a livin.

One thing of note the LA Basin even had smog when the Spanish first set foot in SO CAL. It is the inversion layer that held the campfire smoke down.

Later I imagine the Spanish Californians thought there goes the hood when the Americans started showing up back in the 1840's. Back in the day I talked to a man that grew up in CA in the 30's his comment was, "After WW2 CA went to he11 as too many people came out here to live."

[BeyGon]

I believe the Indians called it Valley of the smoke

[SeanPizzle]

i've been in CA (Sacramento area) since 95. I grew up in Midwest and went to school out there and bounced around the Midwest prior to moving to CA. I love this state, there is so much to see and do here, especially local to where I am. That said, the cost of living and taxes to support the unfunded pension and retiree healthcare will probably have us leaving this state in a few years. It's depressing to think of where we will move to...Vancouver WA with the gloomy weather 9-10 months of the year. Brown, arid Northern NV. Brutally hot and humid TX with no mountains. CO, which isn't much less expensive than CA and already "californicated". Utah with the Mormons and desert and no Ocean. AZ with the heat?

[CurtEgerer]

It's the songs

[tabs]

CA before the advent of the American illegal alien invasion of the 1840's the populaton was based around the mission system and California Rancheros. When news of the discovery of GOLD on the American River got out in late 48 San Francisco became the gate way to the Gold fields in the Sierra Nevada. Virtually everyone in the world who had an adventurous heart headed for California to make their GET RICH QUICK fortune. Few did. Since that day San Franciso has been a cosmopolitan (port city) city that has been tolerant of diverse lifestyles. A lot of Homo.'s and other nonconformists headed out that way so that they could live their lives openly. Where as back home they had to remain closeted.

There has always been a sort of rivalry between the Frisicans and the LA boyz...the Frisicians always were a snobbish lot thinking that they were better because they were more cosmopolitan and thus sophisticated than the middle class suburbanite Southern Californian Surfer Joes. Southern CA is Jan & Dean, Beach Boys, and a bit later Zappa,The Doors, Spirit, Eagles., ehhh Fleetwood Mac..with Nicks and Buckingham, Van Halen and Guns & Roses. The Bay area was the Dead, The Airplane, Quick Silver, Hot Tuna, Country Joe, Janis Joplin, Sly and the Family Stone, and surprisingly Creedence Clearwater Revial...What do ya think "Stuck In Lodi" was about?


Yayyy SF ...Anchor Steam Beer. So Cal was Brew 102... They had a brewery in Azusa...and off the 10 as you got into downtown LA. Later Miller Brewing demolished the Irwindale Raceway and put up a huge brewery on the site (buying the Brew 102 brewery in Azusa, which they used for storage). You can see the old Irwindale Raceway in some of the Frankie and Annette Beach Movies of the early 60's. And as everybody knows Malibu is virtually like stock footage in so many movies and TV shows.

[tabs]

Now I will betcha that no one who lives in Cali knows about or has ever been to Poker Flat which is the local of Bret Harte's 1869 short story "The Outcasts Of Poker Flat."? I got to Howland Flat which is just a piece up the road from Poker Flat... Those were mining camps back in the Gold Rush era. Where La Porte is the metropolis in the area. 60M at the 1850 price of $20 an Oz was pulled out of La Porte (Slate Creek) during the Gold Rush (mostly through Hydraulicaling} , Downhill skiing started there, and it was the first place in CA to have transcontinental telephone service.. elevation is about 5600 ft...

[sammyg2]

So the sad reality is Irwindale Speedway will more than likely be closing down sooner than later for a stupid 700,000 square foot shopping mall. (next year)

[scottmandue]

Oh come on... we all know they hate us because we are beautiful!!!

[vash]

that is a nice green...i always pick the wrong one..

[Jolly Amaranto]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

I plan on keeping a Townhouse here to visit my son and split my time between CA and PA where my daughter and two grandsons live. CA is great if you earn a good living, but a little expensive if you're retired for what you get. I'll be a PA resident and save a boat load in taxes and vehicle registrations, electric and water bills.

I have some friends who have that kind of arrangement. She is from California and really missed it. They keep two really nice residences, one outside Long Beach and the other in Texas. They spend about seven months each year in Texas so that is where they pay their taxes and register their cars. They keep two cars in each state but are always snuffling them back and forth. My wife and I have a standing invitation to come visit them in California when they are out there. Will have to take them up on it one of these days.

[Bugsinrugs]

Originally Posted by Moses

I've lived in New York, Seattle and visited most states. California is just spectacular. I'm 20 miles East of San Francisco in Walnut Creek. Easy to SF. Easy to wine country, easy to Monterey. Easy to Lake Tahoe. And Walnut Creek is the finest city I've ever known. I just ignore local politics for the most part. I'm living in Paradise.

I split my time between Walnut Creek and Nevada City. After work I take my dog to Briones regional park where there is solitude and spectacular scenery. In Nevada City( which is in the California foothills) I can take my pcar down the road to the twisties into the Yuba river canyon and over the mountains to the Tahoe basin. One big loop that once in a blue moon no one will be in front of me. I love California. Too many people though.

[tabs]

What do ya Boyz think I mean when I say I matriculated at that California University by the Sea and Beach? It has been recognized universally as the BEST public education sytem in the world. I was one of only two under grads in my department that was allowed to take grad work while an under grad. The only thing I learned at that University was how to organize my thoughts in an articulate and concise manner..in other words how to present an acceptable argument. Everything else I traded on, was what I already knew. That was not a happy time for me, and it is truly astounding that I finished. In an absence of hope you have to rely on faith.

Now you Boyz ain't exact intellectual slouch's, even Dipshyte the FOOL can dish out some sophisticated arguments...But you Boyz are light years behind in the cognition department, cant see beyond your nose, and are as deep as cookie sheets...as well as virtually every American I have listened to in years...what passes for good is pig slop. Only Icehead on this Board has a perceptional base that approaches...myself. He apparently works on a transcontinental basis and at a high executive level. So his world view is very broad and nuanced. The rest of you are well like monkeys in a tree...jibber jabbering with the sound and fury of naught.

I am a Californian who is a product of the California education system.

[Jolly Amaranto]

Originally Posted by tabs

So Cal was Brew 102...

Brings to mind this old photo.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs

I split my time between Walnut Creek and Nevada City. After work I take my dog to Briones regional park where there is solitude and spectacular scenery. In Nevada City( which is in the California foothills) I can take my pcar down the road to the twisties into the Yuba river canyon and over the mountains to the Tahoe basin. One big loop that once in a blue moon no one will be in front of me. I love California. Too many people though.

You mean up old Route 49...up through Grass Valley, and Downieville...along the N Fork of the Yuba River? I've been their and done that...

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Jolly Amaranto

Brings to mind this old photo.

Hey there is my Dad's car????

This photo look to be taken before the San Bernardino 10 freeway was built...it is the confluence of the 5 and 10 which then turns into the 101...as you go through LA proper.

[JJ 911SC]

The white one?

Originally Posted by tabs

Hey there is my Dad's car????

Originally Posted by Jolly Amaranto

Brings to mind this old photo.