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berettafan 07-19-2017 12:19 PM
plus you totally kicked ass in that bloodsport movie.

Racerbvd 07-19-2017 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMentat (Post 9668097)
I view this a bit differently (and I'm no fan of Zuckerberg)...

Even if these twins seeded the idea, Zuckerberg was the guy that built both the product, and the company. You may feel that the twins weren't fairly compensated for their contribution, but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishments. The fact that the twins didn't/couldn't come up with a competing product or business without him says a lot to me about which side came up with the secret sauce.

It seems to me that greatness stems from the ability to get things done, and by that metric, I think Zuckerberg qualifies.
I disagree, if come up with an idea, and have a machinist fabricate the part, and while making your part, he starts building and selling the same thing (and I have personally seen this happen and it has happened to me) that is stealing. Had the twins not hired Z, he wouldn't have had the concept. He'll, there use to be a well known Porsche parts manufacture seller who would order parts from a small shop, then reverse engineer the parts, and sell his own version. No matter how you look at it, it is stealing. Remember, fb did pay the twins, if there really was no case, do you really think they would have coughed up $65 million?

74-911 07-19-2017 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9667882)
FAME and recognition do not make a man great.

The men who get up and go to work every day, do their best to succeed and earn a good living to support their families, follow the rules, willingly make personal sacrifices for others, and then dedicate themselves to be positive role models and good parents are the ones who have EARNED greatness.

^^^^
Don't agree with Sammy often but he hit the nail on the head on this one....

tabs 07-19-2017 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 9668070)
this thread is depressing.

if trump achieves half of what he promised (a very unlikely scenario) he will be the greatest American of the past 50 years.

i guess 'great' depends on what end result the person in question pushed us towards. facebook brought us the most powerful bullying tool we've ever seen and contributes to the childish behavior of millions upon millions of adults as well as untold number of psychiatric problems in children. it has managed to create a mental disease whereby its users grant themselves a level of importance and relevance that is most certainly not deserved. amazon has laid waste to local businesses which are the lifeblood of individual communities. it has packaged their businesses up and delivered them to the Chinese with a bow on top. I may be able to get goods cheaper and faster BUT my community suffers for it. musk....gov't welfare gamer.

when Bill Cosby stood up and told his fellow blacks to quit acting like n&^%*#s THAT was a great man. Turns out he is a fiend as well...but THAT was greatness. A man with much to lose and nothing to gain spoke up.

Cosby could be guilty of all he is accused of and would STILL be a man who brought more net benefit to his world than most of the clowns named in this thread.

We need to rethink what the meaning of 'great' is. it's fairly clear that too many judge greatness by the size of something that was done and not the benefit it gave.
John Holmes....

I think Bezo's, Gates, Musk, Zuckerbug, all fit the same bill of goods as Holmes.

Superman 07-19-2017 05:50 PM
The question in my mind lately is "WHERE are the great men of today?" More specifically, "Where are the great statesmen of today?"

I don't wanna PARF this thread but....I can sit down with a neighbor whose votes and public policy preferences are diametrically opposed to my own and have a very satisfying conversation about what America needs (over a couple of beers and a barbeque). Americans think the same way and expect the same things regardless of political persuasion. We agree on what we want. Indeed, we ordinary Americans are more cohesive than the buttheads in DC. Wouldn't it be nice if someone stepped forward to transcend the differences and remind us of our unity as a nation. Remind us of the principles of our founding fathers that are in the center of our collective heart today. I think it is possible, but that nobody has done it in recent years.

Superman 07-19-2017 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 74-911 (Post 9668368)
^^^^
Don't agree with Sammy often but he hit the nail on the head on this one....
I agree with you on both counts.

rusnak 07-19-2017 08:22 PM
^ I think you are describing a GOOD MAN. Many GREAT MEN are not so good if you really want to be honest about it.

svandamme 07-19-2017 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 9668284)
plus you totally kicked ass in that bloodsport movie.
His real name is 'Jean-Claude Camille François Van Varenberg'.

But he needed a cool name.. So he stole my thunder.
He never comes to the town where I live.. He knows I have a can of whoop ass with his name on it!

Jims5543 07-20-2017 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9667882)
FAME and recognition do not make a man great.

The men who get up and go to work every day, do their best to succeed and earn a good living to support their families, follow the rules, willingly make personal sacrifices for others, and then dedicate themselves to be positive role models and good parents are the ones who have EARNED greatness.
I cannot help but think of this.

NWS for language.

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NY65912 07-20-2017 04:11 AM
Shaun, still waiting for you! I take Roebling St home every night and pass under the B bridge without even noticing it. The Roeblings were great men.

As far as today Bill Gates and Elon Musk.

yellowperil 07-20-2017 07:30 AM
Jimmy Carter and Willie Nelson

cairns 07-20-2017 08:15 AM
Sammy nailed it.

So did Tabs with this:
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I think Bezo's, Gates, Musk, Zuckerbug, all fit the same bill of goods as Holmes.
And berratafan with this:
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it's fairly clear that too many judge greatness by the size of something that was done and not the benefit it gave.
The two great tech titans IMO were Thomas Watson Jr. and Steve Jobs. But if we mean men who are alive today I would pick people like Roger Penske and Bob Dylan. Musk and Zuckerberg et al aren't even in the same ballpark.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-20-2017 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NY65912 (Post 9669181)
Shaun, still waiting for you! I take Roebling St home every night and pass under the B bridge without even noticing it. The Roeblings were great men.

As far as today Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
Was supposed to have a fun summer Mike, working way too much unfortunately. I'll be down sometime in September I hope and will let you know.

Agree on Gates and Musk, especially where Musk is going, he's one for the history books right alongside Gates Jobs.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-20-2017 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9667882)
FAME and recognition do not make a man great.

The men who get up and go to work every day, do their best to succeed and earn a good living to support their families, follow the rules, willingly make personal sacrifices for others, and then dedicate themselves to be positive role models and good parents are the ones who have EARNED greatness.
A sad commentary, to me, that the baseline of what men should be is considered greatness.

Many years ago I started Modern Dad magazine. My life's goal has always been to create a philanthropically-focused, for profit company that changes society, for the better. We published Modern Dad for 3 years before finding that a special section we ran, FirstTime Dad, was the right focus. Modern Dad was Popular Mechanics, Popular Science and Men's Health all rolled into one. My favorite article we ever did was the physics behind a curve ball and how to teach your son to throw one. But in the end, reaching men when they were already stuck in the provider role was too late we found. The reception to FirstTime Dad as a section was phenomenal, written up in the NY Times and on TV a few times. Went to childbirth education tradeshows to build a circulation base of Lamaze teachers, doulas, nurse midwives, etc. These women would give me hugs in my booth they were so happy to have a magazine for their dads-to-be. Reached over 1 million circ in 2 years. Moms loved it more than anyone else but we got a lot of letters from dads-to-be thanking us for the magazine. Should never have sold it.


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Racerbvd 07-20-2017 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by NY65912 (Post 9669181)
Shaun, still waiting for you! I take Roebling St home every night and pass under the B bridge without even noticing it. The Roeblings were great men.

As far as today Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
I drive Roebling Road race track a few times a year.

Devoz 07-20-2017 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951 (Post 9667376)
Not really today, or a father son team, but these guys:
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Here Here!

drcoastline 07-20-2017 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by id10t (Post 9667407)
Yeah, Zuckerberg did something that made a big change- or took advantage of a big change that was going on - ... but the 2nd pic I posted was of Tim Berners-Lee. We literally wouldn't be doing this, and Zuckerberg couldn't have done his thing if it weren't for him....
I think Al Gore might disagree:D

911michael 07-20-2017 06:19 PM
Since there is some debate about Zuckerberg, here is background on the beginnings of FB

from 2010 -

How Facebook Was Founded - Business Insider

A current perspective -

Articles: Zuckerberg vs. Zuckerberg

VINMAN 07-20-2017 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 9667355)
The every day working man (or woman).....who goes about their work every day......contributing to society while providing services and product(s) to their fellow mankind.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9667882)
FAME and recognition do not make a man great.

The men who get up and go to work every day, do their best to succeed and earn a good living to support their families, follow the rules, willingly make personal sacrifices for others, and then dedicate themselves to be positive role models and good parents are the ones who have EARNED greatness.
Two best answers in the thread. Fame and publicity do not add up to "greatness".


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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9668077)
Greatest con man of all time, agreed.
Totally agree!. It amazes me to no end, how people lick this snake oil salesman's nuts.


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Eric Coffey 07-20-2017 07:41 PM
Anyone with one of these in their ribbon stack:

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