What about door number 3...none of the above? Oh yes they are out there!

But I get what you're saying.....

You Porsche guys are awesome!
Yea I've been followed and confronted many times, but when they see a 6'4" Italian Gorilla get out of an ALFA, they seem to change their tune and just drive away?

I'm not one to provoke a conflict, but don't do it to me.

"Oh if you shoot him it'll only make him mad."

MONGO!!

Don't mess with me on the road, you won't like it!!

PEACE!!

Think all NEW cars should be standards, we'll loose 75% of these idiot operators. The roads would return to the good old days. That will never happen! Just a dream!

one new years day i woke up on a friends couch at six am. he said grab your helmet. we got on our bikes and took a ramp to the 101. then the 10, 405, and finally back to hollywood in less than thirty minutes.

the guys who designed the freeway system were smart. but they didn't figure on 20 million people. and they didn't figure that their successors would stop building new freeways.

Heh heh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis,_Arkansas

I was on the interstate in the middle of a 3 lane road. A pickup pulled right up behind me and I really expected him to hit me. He finally changed lanes and tailgated the guy in the left lane. Then cut off several drivers and pulled ring on the bumper of a car in the exit lane. It was an unmarked police car. He hit the lights and pointed to the side of the road. I pulled off at the next exit and circled around just in time to see the driver get a nice pair of handcuffs and a fun ride to the police station. I had a great laugh.

Get my times and remember quite well.
2 rides
Hurricane Irene went home that Sunday to VT from RI 85MPH through the Boston Tunnel made it home in 3HR's & 20 Minutes, I was flying!! Exceeded 100MPH many times Broke the record of 3HR's & 40 minutes.
Visiting Heavy Metal ALFA in Maine the Kancamagus Highway NO CARS at all My tires were screaming. Surprised I didn't get a ticket, it was in early November, took Da Curve at 70MPH and what a curve, broke rubber and flew up the hill till I hit 100MPH. Google map it you'll see. Had to replace the tires in the Spring, killed them!

Yes these rides are far and few between, but you must enjoy the moment when it presents itself.
I'm a driver, not a Mario, Richard or an AJ, but I LOVE to DRIVE! ALFAsRule!!
Man I'm old!

PEACE!

I feel lucky, were I live. When I travel to my sailboat, the traffic is going the opposite direction until I get to I-5 and the time of day makes all the difference. Going home is the same, can still have 40 mile stretches of no other car in front of me.

If I lived in the I-5 corridor I would have a auto trans, manual sucks in traffic. Even on the water now, idiots are everywhere, no rest for the wicked. But on the water there are no radar guns or speed traps.

From I-5 to the Salem pool hall I like takes me on Salem's Mission Street. 4 lanes now, lots of stop lights. Always crowded. Lots of stop and go, often forcing at least 2 cycles to green before making it through the light.

Boy howdy do I wish I could change from manual to automatic on this stretch!

I-5 was no picnic either. A deluge...over an inch of rain yesterday. Followed one slow truck passing another a few times. They leaving a wake of spray to add to the rain. I'm glad I use Rain-X and that Ford designed great wipers for my Mustang.

After the drive to the hall, my pool game was crap...maybe weary from the concentration of such a drive... Oh well, even a bad day playing pool is better than a good day driving that stretch of I-5.

My Friday answer...

You could bring the fun back in a car with a driver, privacy curtains, hookers, and blow!

Driving distracted is much more dangerous than flying distracted.
There is a reason autopilot has existed for decades and not autonomous cars.

Instead of extensive training..with making drivers responsible for their own individual actions..we have this socialism..
Centralized control from the MCP.

A great big giant Band Aid. Ever growing larger.

The Government might as well rebuild Intercitylines/Redlines/Trolleycars that Government Motors once bought and destroyed.
Fix the past it helped destroy.
That would be a start.

>driving on the street
>driving for fun

pick one

Whatever they do there will be only one major accomplishment. Those involved will get richer whether the solution actually does any good or not.

Poppycock. There are thousands of miles of fun roads. Just get out of the big city.

not really. driving on the street is boring even on "interesting" roads. too dangerous to really push the car, there is no such thing as actually driving fast on the street, unless you are dumb enough to do this kind of thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W8PaXv5fm0& which is both incredibly stupid, and incredibly dangerous.

this is why fast street cars utterly bore me today. purpose built race and autocross cars only now.

It's still fun driving in the Adirondacks of upstate NY, you just have to watch for the critters, large and small.

So true but I’ve come to the point where the roads are just conduits to the great outdoors and the need for all wheel drive and room for the mountain bike, climbing rack, snowshoes, or randonee gear trumps all.

Again, you are on the wrong roads. In Arkansas there are beautiful roads we low to no traffic and moderate safe speeds are a blast to drive. No it is not race track speed, that would be stupid. In my air cooled 911 the fun as safety is a prefect mix. I was not even trying to go really fast. I treat the lines on the road as concrete barriers. That makes the curves curvier because the last thing I want is to straighten the curves just to go faster. It ain’t a race, it is a safe, fun and beautiful drive.

One of the best, funnest roads I’ve ever been on (in a rental no less!) was the Talimena Scenic Byway in Southeastern Oklahoma. What a great drive, I got up early on a Saturday morning from my hotel in OKC and somehow managed to beat about 100 Harley’s going the same direction at the base of the mountains, I laughed out loud as I was having so much fun.

Coming back in the other direction I saw counltless autos trapped among all the slow moving HDs. I couldn’t believe my luck.

That is the thing about famous scenic roads, some are there for the scenery. Best done in an open top or cage less.

All Paul has to do is change the time and roads that he drives on, he's retired, he can do it. If that fails then move.

I like to read, I can leave an hour early, take a 5 mile longer route, get there in 24 minutes. Leave on time, take the shortest root, I get there in 50 minutes.

I spend 10 more minutes from when I leave than when I get there, I get to read a book when I get there for 26 minutes.

Which would you do?