OT... what IS OT?

[Z-man]

No prob, Ahmet: this new power feels good, eh?!?!

[CJFusco]

I just want to make it public that I am taking credit for the clever little nickname "the dungeon" (see the 'what do you all think/feel about this' post)...

[Z-man]

CJFusco is correct. I read it, and liked the name. Maybe we can get Wayne to rename the title of this forum to "The OT Dungeon!"
hehe..
-Z.

[Sarah]

How funny that you even bothered to start an OT post about what should be OT topics.

I also thought the thing to do with an OT post topic you're not in to was to not pull it up in the first place or not add a reply to it.

Anyway....I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to see adorable pictures of my dogs in an OT pet post.

[scottmandue]

Hopefully some of you have read my other posts know that I try to interject some humor into my posts and there was a certain amount of sarcasm intended in my first presentation.

I used the porn comparison because I though it would make a obvious example of things that are not/should not be brought out here.(I'm 99% sure the other porn references were made in jest)

I think if you read my first statement carefully I never specifically said all OT stuff is bad, heck I have been know to contribute to more than a few OT's here.

I guess if I wanted to be more exact I was suggesting it might be a good idea to avoid politics and religion because they are such sensitive subjects. People are killing each other every day over politics and religion for heavens sake.

On a much more minor level I have reason to believe that some people were offended by the recent political debate to the point that they have left the board.

[Rob McKibbon]

I enjoy the OT forums,

First, I can go to other forums where the opinions are heavily sided towards the forums collective agenda - some good reading but very one sided.

Second, most people posting to this BBS are Porsche owners. That being said, it takes a certain individual to be a Porsche owner. Myself, I am a dreamer, a goal setter and high achiever. I have always enjoyed meeting other Porsche owners, for the most part. Therefore, I find it very interesting to read the free spirited un-biased opionions of other Porsche owners.

I am also impressed with Z-mans posts as a moderator - seems like a very fine young man - got some good things going for ya, good luck with it all. (You've got some guts letting some of these threads go ..... I like a Christian man with guts!)

Cheers!

<><

[todwic]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob McKibbon
I enjoy the OT forums,

First, I can go to other forums where the opinions are heavily sided towards the forums collective agenda - some good reading but very one sided.

Second, most people posting to this BBS are Porsche owners. 8[/quoe]True

That being said, it takes a certain individual to be a Porsche owner.

Untrue. anyone can be a Porsche owner, to remain an enthusiast for years is another matter

Myself, I am a dreamer, a goal setter and high achiever. I have always enjoyed meeting other Porsche owners, for the most part. Therefore, I find it very interesting to read the free spirited un-biased opionions of other Porsche owners.

Agreed.

I am also impressed with Z-mans posts as a moderator -seems like a very fine young man

Here's where ya lost me. I don't think Z-man is young (don't know for sure, but I'd place a wager on over 38) or fine. Although I don't know him personaly, IRL he may be totally different, he's probably not a devout christian like you seem to think, nor does he seem to have any moxie, to speak of. With all due respect to Wayne and the board, this is the very best board, the only one Ive visited more than 10 times, I think it has drawn some of the sharpest, most helpfull, and talented people out there. Kudos, Wayne, if you ever get around to down in the pit, this is just an awesome board, and you're awesome for making it what it is. And, yes, I realize that some of the credit and kudos go to Zman, for he has, to an extent, helped shape this board to it's currnet incarnation. That being said, I think Z-man is also one of the most humourless, egotistical, powertripping, uptight, anal, closed minded, resentfull dungbeetle heads that moderates, visits, or even knows of this board. The posts he placed above make me very angry and resentfull that this childish kneebiter has the power to have me banned. To lash out at AE like that was totally uncalled for. He's been a member for quite some time, and hasn't ever even posted porn, nothing even close to porn, I don't even recall that he's posted any pictures with people in them. Do you rave, Z-man? Not in the xtasy popping tripping parties that hire D.J.s and pass out LSD laced tang and lightsticks-on-a-string type rave, but the mindless destroyers of good sense and order that live in the pages of Stephen R. Donaldson's Thomas Covenent series of very good reads (The White Gold Weilder, if you've read it, you know what I'm talking about, if not, then forget the reference).

Has some of the undying spite I feel for Z-man eeked it's way to shine through? I hope so, because this will be one of the few times that my angst towards a member or moderator of this board will the spilled onto keyboarded cyberspace. I seldom offer my derision for others to view, as I feel most everyone is entitled to thier opinion, but I also feel that others should be able to crack a joke w/o some arrogant fat head in charge lashing out with a 650 word dissertion on the moderators policy on porn and all things holy! While I know you could care less about my opinion, Z-man, I felt the need to say my peice after this Canadian (no offense AE, Boyee and others, you guys know I have respect and give props to you Mckenzie folk) wrote such a glowing tribute to someone so exceedingly unworthy of praise. Sorry board members, I was compelled.

- got some good things going for ya, good luck with it all. (You've got some guts letting some of these threads go ..... I like a Christian man with guts!)

For what it's worth, nothing personal against you, Mr. whoeverwrotethispost, I respect a Christian who holds his own morals above reproach, as long as he lives and let lives. May there always be fish in your creel

Cheers!

<><

Also, I must say a thing about your signature: Teach the child to respect his Father, most importantly, his elders. Failing is not taught, it's inevitable, what should be taught is to pick yourself up again and pursue a different tact. Sorry, woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

[todwic]

Originally posted by AFJuvat

Sometimes I think we need a collective enema.

AFJuvat

Forsooth. When there's a better way, I'll be the first in line.

I regret many things I've said, but never my silence.
Theodore Rooselvelt

Now that's one of the wisest things I've ever heard. Ben Franklin and Abe Lincoln made simular comments, and there's an apifiny[sp] to be had there. The things I said about Z-man were harsh, with misquided anger aimed and launched in his direction. The only resentment I have towards him are the comments he made in this post, and the thread that he closed where Frank B. and I traded slams, insults, and slurs (and as a result of our threads, I have a particular fondness towards Frank, Island dwelling forefathers and all). Rather than delete the above rant to save myself the criticism it is sure to draw, I'm gonna let it ride and take the flak right in the face. It'll remind me to tone things down, not respond without a little calming down, and to read the whole post before I fire off rebuttle and scorn towards my fellow Pelicanites and the moderators of this board. Z-man, I offer my opology to you for slinging this ire filled venom in your direction, and, as always, read the disclaimer*

[Bill Douglas]

I prefer the OT. We are like minded (resonably) individuals, so I appreciate hearing you guys points of view on things - political (Tabs ), porn (always a giggle to see others points of view on the subject) and trivia. OMG did I tell you my cat prefers dry food to fresh steak.

[tabs]

We eat what we're used to....either that or it's a dumb cat... I'll eat the steak if the cat doesn't want it.....I'm no fool when steak is offered.

[Bill Douglas]

LOL

[Bill Douglas]

Hey Tabs. I've just bought 23,000 shares in Lithium Technology Corporation, which is a company that does reaserch on making batteries for horrible little electric cars and the such like. Plus batteries for future mobile phones and laptops. They were cheap and the company is right up there in lithium knowlegde and development. I feeel I'll probably loose the money but if I don't I'll do extremely well. What are you thoughts?

[tabs]

Is it a penny stock listed on the NASDQ pink sheets....if you see a profit sell and get the initial investment back. If U can put a standing sell order if it goes to a certain level to limit your loses. Problem with penny stocks is that you never know the what they are really selling for...information is old and they can be very illiquid. They can very easily be subject of manipulation.

Sounds like a good area of investment though...

[Bill Douglas]

I'm in it for the long haul. Long hall as far as tech' is concerned The way electric cars are going and this companys developments, it has a chance of doing very well so i'll just hold off until the company's gone bust or the shares are worth good money.

I always back on outsiders. Plus I love cheap shares as they fluctuate up and down by 20% so a bit of volitivity is good.

They are on the Nasdq as LITH if you are curious.

[Rob McKibbon]

HEY!!!!

I resemble that remark!

Man with cowface,
Hope you have a better day tomorrow???
You are wrong about Zman Very wrong.
Do me a favour, print this thread and read it in a month..... you will be surprised?

As for my sig,
As a successful father of 5 children, and one grandson, Living Life to the fullest and Lovin it;
Teaching a child to fail? Just what do you suppose that could mean. Failure is a part of life. Show me someone who never fails and I'll show you someone who never tries.
Failing correctly is learning from the failure, appreciating the experience and moving on, NOT quiting.
Winners never quit; Losers always do.

It's true.... I AM Canadian and a very successful failure to boot.

As for loving your wife; the person you chose to spend the rest of your life with; the one you loved so much you married her; what does it say about a man and his abilities to make good choices (the important ones especially) if you can't follow through and stay in love with your soulmate and treat her with respect.



I'd bet $100 that the Zman is a great guy, who lives Life to the fullest, he's not a taker, but a giver. Probably around 27 - 31 years old - youngster to me/ hah ha. He is probably very grounded and good willed; a leader and a follower; a friend to many. He's probably not married, but when he does get married, he will have a happy wife and a successful family.

I'm also impressed with Wayne and his company; very impressed! And I'm also impressed with his ability to choose someone on his team, such as Zman. Afterall, a company is represented by its leaders.


I've read his posts - I'm a GREAT judge of character. So tell me Zman, am I right? <><

[Sarah]

Bill - I knew there had to be something weird about your cat!

Rob....very insightful words about your family. That was nice to read.

[todwic]

Originally posted by Rob McKibbon
HEY!!!!

I resemble that remark!

Man with cowface,
Hope you have a better day tomorrow???

Yep, turning out to be a fine one, thanks

You are wrong about Zman Very wrong.

Very wrong? That's a pretty strong statement. I might allow mostly wrong, as the highest level of wrongness achieved. Course, then again, did you read my sig?*

Do me a favour, print this thread and read it in a month..... you will be surprised?

I'm sure it'll still be here in a month, I had searches bring up some pretty old strings, I don't think they delete much around here. What am I gonna be suprised about?quote]

As for my sig,
As a successful father of 5 children, and one grandson, Living Life to the fullest and Lovin it;[/quote]Good. Good good good. A tip of the hat in your direction.

Teaching a child to fail? Just what do you suppose that could mean. Failure is a part of life. Show me someone who never fails and I'll show you someone who never tries.
Failing correctly is learning from the failure, appreciating the experience and moving on, NOT quiting.

I said that. I was merely suggesting that failing is not something that has to be taught, it just comes 'round like the flu. Re examining where you went wrong, not doing that part of your route to reach your goal and taking a side road that gets you to the same goal w/o repeating mistakes is all I was suggesting.

Winners never quit; Losers always do.

Now that's fresh!

It's true.... I AM Canadian and a very successful failure to boot.

Good4U! I didn't want to talk aboot it

As for loving your wife; the person you chose to spend the rest of your life with; the one you loved so much you married her; what does it say about a man and his abilities to make good choices (the important ones especially) if you can't follow through and stay in love with your soulmate and treat her with respect.

Well, you're right there, but I never said anything against my wife, and I certainly wouldn't say anything diparaging towards or aboot yours. I was merely remarking on someting that you cannucks probably don't have to deal with as much as we do. Children being raised to not listen to thier mothers, fathers, niehgbors, or teachers. I wouldn't trade my wife for 10 of me or 5 of Z-man. I love her most of all.

I'd bet $100 that the Zman is a great guy, who lives Life to the fullest, he's not a taker, but a giver. Probably around 27 - 31 years old - youngster to me/ hah ha.

well, Dirt, I stand erected

He is probably very grounded and good willed; a leader and a follower; a friend to many. He's probably not married, but when he does get married, he will have a happy wife and a successful family.

Opinions are like bungholes. Everyone has one, and yours smells kinda...funny. but it's yours and your entitled to let it smell however you choose

I'm also impressed with Wayne and his company; very impressed! And I'm also impressed with his ability to choose someone on his team, such as Zman. Afterall, a company is represented by its leaders.

I never said he was "bad", just humourless, egotistical,...well, you read it. At least we do agree on something here.

I've read his posts - I'm a GREAT judge of character. So tell me Zman, am I right? <><

This is Z-man, and you are right, snoweater, right as rain.

Ok, that wasn't Zman, it was me. I don't really seeing him disagreeing with ya, so I'll go quietly now.

[tabs]

Typical LA,CA cynicism

[Z-man]

Geez, I spend a day shoveling outta snow, and find all this!!

Todwic: while I appreciate your honestly, I do not understand why you feel this way about me. Those are pretty harsh words. I accept the apology you posted. Regarding my warning about porn: joke or no joke: I wanted to make it clear what the policy is about it. It is not my policy, nor, technically, is it Wayne's or Pelican Parts' policy: there are federal USA guidelines regarding this stuff. Why am I so animate about it? I have personally seen the negative effects of porn, and that may be why I am so much against it. Nuff said. Note that I apologized for over-reacting about posting porn on the first page of this thread.

Regarding me being "humorless, egostitical, powerstripping, uptight, anal, close minded, resentfull dungebeetle heads..." Whoa. You forgot "moronic, stupid, empty, and mental." What gives?
I like to make people laugh, I try to put others before me. I may be uptight and anal sometimes, but I believe I am open minded about most things. (Like stuff that's posted here!) Not sure where you're getting the resentful idea, but I'm not a resentful person.

From Rob McKibbon:
I am also impressed with Z-mans posts as a moderator - seems like a very fine young man - got some good things going for ya, good luck with it all. (You've got some guts letting some of these threads go ..... I like a Christian man with guts!)

Thanks Rob. Say more things like that & I'll be MORE egotistical than todwic implies! Sometimes I don't have enough guts as a believer in Christ. But I feel it is important NOT to FORCE my opinion on others. I enjoy discussing different belief systems, and hopefully I can portray my Christ as accurately as I can. This is the OT Dungeon um, forum, that is, not the Z-man's Dungeon, after all!

Rob again:
I'd bet $100 that the Zman is a great guy, who lives Life to the fullest, he's not a taker, but a giver. Probably around 27 - 31 years old - youngster to me/ hah ha. He is probably very grounded and good willed; a leader and a follower; a friend to many. He's probably not married, but when he does get married, he will have a happy wife and a successful family.

So, who am I? I'm 35, married for almost 9 years to the love of my life: Kim. No kids yet. I'm a youth group counselor at my church. In the past, I've been involved with short term missions (Costa Rica, South Africa, Liberia, Hungary, Sweden). By most measurements, I am a conservative person. Yes: I am a born-again Christian.
Do I live life to the fullest? I try to! (Read: IF by Rudyard Kipling: it describes my life very well) I do enjoy living life, and experiencing as much of life as possible! I've done stuff like snowboarding, travelling (see above), I've owned a motorcycle, and these days, I get my jollies by driving around a racetrack! I have yet to do skydiving, but it's on my list of things to do!
Todwic: I did the club scene for a little time years ago, (ref to your rage/estacy stuff) but didn't enjoy it: probably 'cause I'm too self-consious when I dance! But I enjoy much of the 'mainstream' trance/rave groups out there, like Apopgyma Bezerk, Telepopmusic, Moby, Tangerine Dream...etc. The music without the drugs: a wonderful concept!

I'm very involved with PCA right now: I'm on my region's board of governors and hold the "track tech co-chair" position. I truly enjoy the club and know that Porsche ownership goes far beyond just owning car!

I still don't understand your resentment towards me, Todwic, but I guess you can't please everyone all the time....

Regards,
-Zoltan

[todwic]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob McKibbon


I'd bet $100 that the Zman is a great guy, who lives Life to the fullest, he's not a taker, but a giver. Probably around 27 - 31 years old - youngster to me/ hah ha. He is probably very grounded and good willed; a leader and a follower; a friend to many. He's probably not married, but when he does get married, he will have a happy wife and a successful family. [/quote]See? I was just mostly wrong! Score: rob: 6 todwic: 2 (I got the age, and you were wrong about marriage, which makes me right by default. (hey, when someone's as wrong as oft as I am, I have to get em where I can get em.) So we're probably both glad we didn't bet

I'm also impressed with Wayne and his company; very impressed! And I'm also impressed with his ability to choose someone on his team, such as Zman. Afterall, a company is represented by its leaders.


I've read his posts - I'm a GREAT judge of character. So tell me Zman, am I right? <><

While you may be a great judge of character, you can't tell ages for squat. (I'm not calling you Dirt in a dusty sense, just that's what you're older than. I mean that in the nicest possible way!)

Ok, I stand corrected, Z-man, and thank you for being big enough to accept my opology. All this angst was started with the thread where Frank B. asked for some advice, for the second time the info was in the owners manual, and Britwrench advised him that the purchase of such a manual would be beneficial. Not those exact words. Frank responded by suggesting that Brit was a recepticle for a female hygene solution. Said it pretty meanly, too. A couple of other members of the board tolk Frankie that wasn't so nice, and sometimes we have to share the sandbox with others who aren't as intellectualy tuned as others, but brit had his system well mantained and would be servicable, if a bit finicky in the low end rpm zone. Here again, I didn't read the whole post, and when I say Frank slamming brit, I lashed out (tho a lot nicer to him than I was to Z) making desparaging remarks about his geneology, mental capacity, and choice of lingo, while defending Brit capacity as a great source of 411. I didn't know Frank from adam, but seeing as he was from Philly, I made references about Italians and possible mob connections. Turned out, Frank and brit had already kissed and made up (I HOPE that's what they were doing there), and that Frankie's Grandfolk came from Scicily. Not too far from Italy, as I recall. racial slurs were handed back and forth (good naturedly, this time, wholey tongue in cheek), and some pansy whiner mama's boy got his feel bads hurt and complained, and Zman steped in, said it wouldn't be tolerated, with the name calling and such, and deleted the thread, and threated to boot me off the board. Well, I took it personaly, and wrote a very, very long post about how we should get thicker skins and how french people suck and nobody can take a joke-a-la-the Diceman anymore, and how if he was gonna throw his wieght around like that, then just go ahead and boot me, nancy boy. I wrote all of this before I realized the post was closed and the 40 min I had spent composing one of the greatest (IMHO) retort/rebuttle/slam/take this job and shove it-esque peices ever written was just pissed away. and to not be retrieved ever, and one of the most eloquent PG-13 verbal tirades of Western Civilization was lost forever. I hit the submit reply button and went to go get my wife (Traci) to show her one of my finest literical creations ever, and there was the "you can't post that crap here" error messages awaiting my return, wife a-tow.

And so, that is the real reason I've been just waiting for even half a chance to unload on Z-man. When I saw his remark to Ahmet about power, I detonated. I vented. I, sir, raved. I, raver. And after I was done, I felt silly, embarassed, and I really wanted to just delete the post and forget this ugly incident of short temperedness. (I'm Irish, it's not me fault, the lads talked me into it) Instead, I let it stand, to remind myself that tirades make for hurt feelings and dead kittens. That was a few days ago, and today, I sincerely feel bad that I said those things about Z-man, he didn't deserve them, and he is just doing his job. (my remarks about Canadians stand tho, you gotta draw the nice line somewhere, and mine starts north of America. (Canadian Customs kicked me out of Canada, I wasn't allowed there. Yes I hold gruges, nevermind that is was a good call on thier part) Again, Z-man, moderator, I say "I'm sorry", I'm just a petty short tempered man who lashes out at things that would be better brought close and bought beverages.