What good is making **** illegal, if you can't enforce it?

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Fint, you seem to read very selectively a lot of the time. You ignore what might serve to undermine your point, and greatly expand on irrelevant items that would serve to support it.

Yes, but very high level people, both in government and in the media, send him emails looking for advice based on his posts here. Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Hate to see folks insult the military.

I've never insulted the military in my life fint

I hate for folks to insult my intelligence with bogus bs too though

If you ever want to lose some money fint...make a bet, and let's make it worth our time.....

I bet it wouldn't be hard to find plenty of 20 somethings that will confirm that they drank beer, ILLEGALLY, while serving in the AF....or even before they signed up...just like many teens do.

[fintstone]

And you can get a photo of them doing so and their ID? I can’t imagine any would be so stupid. Seems like an insult right there...that they would be so stupid (on top of your claims regarding their total disregard of the oath they took).

As far as before they entered the service, that is something different entirely.

All U can give you is my experience. Over 40 years service and never witnessed it once...although I have seen where a few folks did and were caught...and kicked out of the service. You guys likely spend more time in bars that let underaged kids drink more than I do.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Yes, but very high level people, both in government and in the media, send him emails looking for advice based on his posts here. Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs.

There is good reason no one asks for yours. Come back when you have an intelligent argument vice your typical purely personal attack.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by fintstone

And you can get a photo of them doing so and their ID? I can’t imagine any would be so stupid. Seems like an insult right there...that they would be so stupid (on top of your claims regarding their total disregard of the oath they took).

As far as before they entered the service, that is something different entirely.

All U can give you is my experience. Over 40 years service and never witnessed it once...although I have seen where a few folks did and were caught...and kicked out of the service. You guys likely spend more time in bars that let underaged kids drink more than I do.

....out of touch you are. I did a LOT of stupid schit as a youngin', and understand the "other side" a LOT better than you....'cause I've been paying attention to human nature, btdt, and learned mucho along the way....

Why is what a guy in the military did "before entering" not relevent? I think that's the point of this thread....

If any of you guys reading this thread have kids in the military....ask them. Do underage kids in the military wait until they are 21 to have their first drink of alcohol....legally? Or have a huge percentage broken a stupid law....same as it ever was

[fintstone]

Why would you expect people that are not in the military to be concerned with military law or oath?

I don’t see how the military has any relationship to this thread (you brought it it for some reason) unless it has to with whether laws and fear of punishment have anything to do with preventing people from breaking the law. The punishment for underage drinking is a slap on the wrist for most...but the consequences are severe in the military...said marijuana use. Increased penalties certainly reduce crime...although they cannot eliminate it. People are caught for breaking the law in the AF all the time as catching folks is a huge effort...with constant drug testing and every car is stopped at the gate and the guard is tasked with trying to smell each car for alcohol or MJ. Dorms are constantly inspected and cars are stopped regularly at the gates for random search. Only a total fool would break those laws and relatively few do.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Why would you expect people that are not in the military to be concerned with military law or oath?

I don’t see how the military has any relationship to this thread (you brought it it for some reason) unless it has to with whether laws and fear of punishment have anything to do with preventing people from breaking the law. The punishment for underage drinking is a slap on the wrist for most...but the consequences are severe in the military...said marijuana use. Increased penalties certainly reduce crime...although they cannot eliminate it. People are caught for breaking the law in the AF all the time as catching folks is a huge effort...with constant drug testing and every car is stopped at the gate and the guard is tasked with trying to smell each car for alcohol or MJ. Dorms are constantly inspected and cars are stopped regularly at the gates for random search. Only a total fool would break those laws and relatively few do.

....while they are on base...I agree 100%.

If you've convinced yourself they don't break law "on their own time", that's OK...I just know better

[john70t]

Originally Posted by fintstone

I don't think so. The risk and punishment are too great. I bet you cannot find a single one.

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Originally Posted by fintstone

Only a total fool would break those laws and relatively few do.

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Although the first claim was descriptive and specifically left vague, this looks like a relaxing from a stance.
Hmmm. The fint is capable of incorporating real world circumstance into an argument.
And human fallibility is always a given, not a question.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by john70t

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Although the first claim was descriptive and specifically left vague, this looks like a relaxing from a stance.
Hmmm. The fint is capable of incorporating real world circumstance into an argument.
And human fallibility is always a given, not a question.

I don’t think he can find a single one. There are always people who break the law...as evidenced by the fact that they are kicked out for getting caught. But, since the circumstances are different (strong enforcement), I believe the occurrences more rare than the similar nonmilitary demographic (can only speak for the AF). Hence, the suggestion that making MJ use legal would not result in more use seems spurious to me...and the AF example shows just the opposite that the one that introduced it intended.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Come back when you have an intelligent argument vice your typical purely personal attack.

Fint, the perpetual victim, a "man" for whom quoting his own words makes him a victim of a personal attack.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Fint, the perpetual victim, a "man" for whom quoting his own words makes him a victim of a personal attack.

Not my words and not on topic. Just an opportunity for a cheap shot. But you have never been very honest, have you?

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

... Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs...

You should work on your argument, you might not need such low tactics to try to make yourself relevant.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Not my words and not on topic. J

Yes, they are your words. Anything you say is relevant to a topic you engage in when it illuminates to your honestly and integrity - or lack thereof.

[fintstone]

Why lie?

Clearly not my words:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

... Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs...

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Why lie?

Clearly not my words:

Of course they are your words. You may have deleted your post in shame and embarrassment, but it has been memorialized by a poster named Black, as shown in this screen shot..

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

I agree with your point, it is highly unlikely that an lawmaker would want to or be able to pass a law that gives a tool to LE to hassle, however, to build on your point perhaps, there is an issue with LE doing selective enforcement so that they can indulge their particular upset or prejudice.

Example, son got pulled over repeatedly for 1 or 2 kmh over the limit for a period of time as he is Asian in appearance and was driving a hot hatchback. He apparently got up their nose because the first time he was pulled over he asked (correctly) "are you arresting me or am I free to go" after producing the needed documents.

He refused to allow them to search his vehicle without them stating their probable cause (there was none) and then he was a marked man for the cops working that area.

Now, it worked out Ok as he made it known that he would fight a 3 kmh over ticket and they knew it would be thrown out of court, but he still got pulled over 10+ times over the course of a few weeks. In rush hour no less.

I have a problem with LE doing this kind of thing, if any one of us were followed, there is undoubtedly no end of infractions that would fringe the law's edges and could be prosecuted.

LE are humans too...and some of them are pretty bad humans so they do not get an automatic bye for bad behaviour as they know they can make your life miserable if they want and some of them do just that.

Lawmakers deserve even more opprobrium in my books by writing laws to a level of detail either giving far too much leeway for LE interpretation or far too little.

Net result is the same, we need our LE to be colour blind just as Our Lady of Justice is and too many of them are not. Those need to be weeded out with all the passion of a fat kid on a box of Smarties as they bring justice and rule of law into disrepute.

Dennis

I will tell an opposite story.

My son purchased a $500 E30 that was impounded by the police and sat for years, the PO was arrested on drug charges. The car was purchased by a Pelican and was going to be used for a 24 Hours of Lemons then everyone backed out. He sold it to my son.

My son was 15 at the time, we worked on that car for a year to make it road worthy. He drove it to school.

The police were doing "dog training" in the student parking lot, guess which car triggered the dog? My sons druggies impound car. He was pulled from class and asked to open the car up for a search. Se obliged because he has nothing to hide. He even showed the sops the cool hiding places in the car to look for drugs. (I should add his street cred in HS went through the ceiling because he was being yanked out of class by the police)

I received a phone call that same day from the school resource officer, her first told me I had the coolest son ever and told me what happened, he also said he helped them find cubby holes and places where drugs could be hidden. My son loves firearms so the conversation went to their carries and they were impressed with his knowledge.

He made friends that day, which would come in handy as he got into a fender bender in front of the school,

The resource officer remembered him and called me immediately and asked me to come down. We were able to negotiate paying for damage and not getting insurance involved, no police report, no ticket (My son was at fault) and no harm, everyone was happy.

He sold that E30 for a tidy profit and purchased another E30 from another Pelican that saved an 325is from the Junkyard, but still needed some TLC. That one was black on black....

Side story, my son is a real life Kimi Raikkonen, when he purchased the $500 E30 his emotional response was a slight smile My friend (RickV) was somewhat concerned he did not like that car. After we left he called another forum guy and expressed his concern, this guy knows my son well, he asked Rick, did he smile a little? Rick said yes, then the other guy said, that means he was excited.

He was dubbed the Iceman after that, homage to Kimi.

A Euro tag was purchased by his GF at the time that said Iceman on it and was placed on the front of the Black E30. Iceman can also mean Meth dealer.

He was pulled over so many times in that car and searched and every time he would laugh and tell them to have at it. Showing them the places they missed etc.. getting into a convo on guns. Making friends.

He has never played the search warrant game with them. He has never had an issue with it.

My best friend was a street cop and my son knows him well and my cousin is one as well.

Both have told me the same thing when I was arguing over my disdain for speed traps. You will be amazed how many bad people they pull off the streets via speed traps. They are dumb and speed when they have warrants out. So many times a routine stop turns into an arrest and a bad guy that may have stolen from you is off the street.

BTW my son is Wonder White Bread so no racial profiling here. Not once was he in fear of his life, he always listened to the nice police man.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Of course they are your words. You may have deleted your post in shame and embarrassment, but it has been memorialized by a poster named Black.

Obviously those words are not the insult I was referring to. It is the clear insult that I quoted twice. Of course you knew that.

Your constant reposting of my words in your byline is not insulting to me in the least. In fact, it is flattering that they make you angry and wet with twittery that you have to make personal attacks and then lie about them.

Why lie when it is there in writing for everyone to see? If you want to continually insult me instead of joining the conversation, man up and admit it.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Your constant reposting of my words in your byline is not insulting to me in the least. In fact, it is flattering that they make you angry and wet with twittery that you have to make personal attacks and then lie about them. .

I am loath to strike another blow to your obviously fragile ego, but I do not use a byline. I'm sorry to disappoint, but if you look back on my posts you will note that I haven't used a byline for years.

[fintstone]

Hate to break it to you...but you just posted one in posts 81 and 94

...and it wasn't even original. You stole it from another idiot.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Hate to break it to you...but you just posted one in posts 81 and 94

Those are quotes Fint - screen shots. Anyone can see that.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Those are quotes Fint. Anyone can see that.

Are they? Nothing to indicate that. No quotation marks. Not quoted the way posts are normally quoted here. Who did you quote? Not a cut and paste of one of my posts.

Posted where a byline would be. Looks like byline to me. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Are you about finished playing thread-kill yet?