How do you shoot 65 rounds and miss?

[A930Rocket]

How do 7 cops shoot 65 rounds and miss the suspect?

I think I could have hit with my little training.

San Francisco cops fire 65 shots in 15 seconds at murder suspect in dramatic video | Fox News

[RKDinOKC]

All 7 of the cops have had a vasectomy?

[Dantilla]

I'm a good shot when I have time to aim.
Curious how I would do with an adrenaline dump coursing through my bloodstream.

Police officers are not usually expert marksmen. They are trained to minimum police standards, and a large percentage of officers never practice more than what's necessary to qualify.

Just like driving skill. Trained to much higher standards than the average soccer mom, but most Porsche nuts with some track experience can drive circles around the average police officer. "High-low-high" is kindergarten level compared to an advanced PCA track day hitting the proper apex.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

I'm a good shot when I have time to aim.
Curious how I would do with an adrenaline dump coursing through my bloodstream.

Police officers are not usually expert marksmen. They are trained to minimum police standards, and a large percentage of officers never practice more than what's necessary to qualify.

Just like driving skill. Trained to much higher standards than the average soccer mom, but most Porsche nuts with some track experience can drive circles around the average police officer. "High-low-high" is kindergarten level compared to an advanced PCA track day hitting the proper apex.

I dunno, they usually hit the person they are aiming at around here.

[T77911S]

they must have been shooting at steven segal, he never gets hit.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by T77911S

they must have been shooting at steven segal, he never gets hit.

That's funny.

Truth of the matter is that weird stuff happens in real life when the lead starts flying, it's not always like in the movies. People get shot and don't go down. People get grazed and go into shock, think they've been killed. People miss like crazy.

Ive seen a cop shoot a guy @ close range w a 12 gauge, (accidental discharge/misfire), and the guy started screaming at him, "why did you shoot me, you MFer!!"

[widgeon13]

Keystone cops for real.

[kach22i]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_fire

Suppressive fire is often used as covering fire...............

I'm guessing the cops figured that if they were shooting at the suspect, he wouldn't continue shooting at them for fear of being hit.

Guess it worked.

[legion]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

Police officers are not usually expert marksmen. They are trained to minimum police standards, and a large percentage of officers never practice more than what's necessary to qualify.

This.

One of the firearm instructors that I have taken several classes from is a Cook County Probation Officer and range instructor for the Cook County Sherriff's Department. He says that the vast majority of officers shoot once a year for qualification, and don't fire a gun the other 364 days each year. In fact, he says that qualification days (and there are several each year as officers are qualified in groups) consist mostly about officers griping about it being too hot, too cold, too rainy, too sunny, etc..

[Tobra]

How do you shoot 65 rounds and miss? Same way you shoot <50% on free throws, not enough practice.

[rfuerst911sc]

Didn't account for wind direction change

[LakeCleElum]

Like that Fla Sheriff answered a reported a few years ago:

Reporter: Why did you fire 65 rounds?
Sheriff: Because that's all we had..............

[stomachmonkey]

They need to adopt more rigid training.

My Secret Service buddies who I go to the range with can all drive nails.

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

I'm a good shot when I have time to aim.
Curious how I would do with an adrenaline dump coursing through my bloodstream.

Police officers are not usually expert marksmen. They are trained to minimum police standards, and a large percentage of officers never practice more than what's necessary to qualify.

Just like driving skill. Trained to much higher standards than the average soccer mom, but most Porsche nuts with some track experience can drive circles around the average police officer. "High-low-high" is kindergarten level compared to an advanced PCA track day hitting the proper apex.

Considering the high miss rate for handgun combat, 90 percent or so at 21 to 25 feet and 70 percent inside 10 feet, it is understandable.

When I was a range rat, there used to be a bunch of local LEO that would show up for their quals. Some of these individuals, you would swear, were afraid of their weapon. As Dantilla stated, they usually only have annual quals.

Now the LEOs that enjoy shooting for more than just work are great. SWAT members are very good, good fire discipline also. BUT, the best shots with a handgun are detectives that have worked undercover, they shoot like their lives depend on it. SWAT and UC Detectives also have a very calm presence of mind as well, very comfortable with firearms. I learned a lot from them.

The one thing that I still practice to this day is proximity shooting, without aiming. It gives one a feel for your individual weapon. For me and my Sig 220 it is perceived center mass from a low ready to firing and two inches up. This is what muscle memory on my Sig gives me very high rate of center mass shots at 20 - 25 feet, that is how I think of it, what little thinking there is. From the hip inside 10 feet it is point and shoot. Most conventional training gives an inexperienced shooter the perception that you must "aim", where as reality shows getting the rounds there and with proximity training ( a lot of it) you are more than likely going to get hits, and with a 45, usually stoppers or dissuaders.

[ckelly78z]

Being a sancturary city means they fire blanks.

[jyl]

Handguns are hard to shoot accurately. I can reliably hit a 2" target at 25 yd at the range. I have zero illusions about how I'd perform IRL.

Plus - nighttime, the officers were diving for cover, unclear where suspect was but looks like he was at least several car lengths away (50'+?).

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by legion

He says that the vast majority of officers shoot once a year for qualification, and don't fire a gun the other 364 days each year.

Do officers have to pay for their own practice ammo?

Why wouldn't you want to practice, if an LEO? First, your life may depend upon it. That should be motivation enough. Second, why wouldn't anyone (who has a gun) not want to toss a few rounds down a range every once in awhile? For blowing off steam's sake. For proficiency's sake.

[cabmandone]

By keeping your eyes closed when pulling the trigger.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Noah930

Do officers have to pay for their own practice ammo?

Why wouldn't you want to practice, if an LEO? First, your life may depend upon it. That should be motivation enough. Second, why wouldn't anyone (who has a gun) not want to toss a few rounds down a range every once in awhile? For blowing off steam's sake. For proficiency's sake.

If I were a lawyer and my client was just shot by a cop, I'd attempt to paint the cop as gun crazy and trigger happy.

I'd use the officers frequency of range visits against him if the judge would permit it.

Just say'n, maybe it would not work out for the cop like you want it to.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Noah930

Do officers have to pay for their own practice ammo?

none I have asked do