What would you do ? Sold used exhaust

[rfuerst911sc]

So here is my situation , I sold a used Boxster after market exhaust . I had removed the exhaust after running it for aprox. 6 months on my car but I had purchased the exhaust used . To the best of my knowledge it was in perfect running condition when I removed it meaning there were no leaking noises or any traces of a leak and no rattles in the cats . The only reason I removed the system is it was a header/cat combo and I was going straight header due to the 3.6 engine build .

I sold these aprox. a month ago and today I received a PM stating the drivers side header/cat had a leak/leaks . Per the buyer their mechanic pointed out multiple cracks on the drivers side . I gave an honest description of what I knew in my sellers ad and provided pics . The buyer talked me down from my original selling price ( not a problem ) and we agreed on a price .

So what is my obligation ( if anything ) on helping out the buyer ?

[stomachmonkey]

If you sold in good faith and were unaware of any issues then nothing.

Used. As is.

What's it been doing the last month?

I was selling a 964 decklid a while back.

Had a buyer.

Pulled the thing off my shelf and it had a crack in the wing that was not there when I stored it.

Stuff happens when things sit around for a bit.

[Bill Douglas]

6 months in the life of an exhaust can be a long time, so who knows what has happened. A bit of persuasion used in getting it to fit the buyers own car.

I think he should have inspected it when he recieved it and talked to you then if he had any issues with it.

Also if he couldn't see any faults at the time of installing it, you certainly wouldn't have been able to see any faults as a seller.

[Craig T]

Nothing! Caveat emptor

ca·ve·at emp·tor
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noun
the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made.

This happened to me!!! It could be part of a rapidly growing scam. Coming back to buyers under false pretense seeking a discount or refund without offering to return the product is a big problem now with Craigslist and Ebay. If the guy is offering to keep the exhaust, but looking for a partial refund, then he's one of these scammers. If he's willing to return the exhaust at his expense for a full refund, then he's probably legit. Test him.

I sold some GM Rally wheels off my 72 truck (found some old 72 15" steelies and dog dish hubcaps on Craigslist ). About two weeks later the guy emailed me stating two of the wheels were cracked and unusable. He wanted 1/2 of his money back so he could replace them. I read about the scam in the paper a month ago and told him I'd gladly give his 1/2 $$$ back if I could come to his house and pick up the two cracked wheel. He said he tossed them. I told him when he could produce the wheels he'd get his refund. I never heard from him again.

[rattlsnak]

For me, it would depend on how much I sold it for.. And i would definitely want pictures before I went any further....

[RANDY P]

Pound sand. Should've said something firsthand. Probably just doesn't like it, wife got mad, who knows. Not your problem.

PS for some reason, I have had multiple problems with Porsche parts buyers- no one else, ever. Why do these cars attract dubious slimeballs?

rjp

[rfuerst911sc]

For what it's worth I sold them for less than 50 % of retail for new . I'm not trying to be a dick but it's a used exhaust system . I asked the buyer via PM what he wanted to do and I'm waiting to hear from him . I am NOT a flipper just a Porsche enthusiest . I have sold a fair amount of Porsche items over the years and have NEVER had an issue . I believe I am honest and truthful . It just threw me for a loop when I got the PM .

[Baz]

"As is" means "As is".
It was not new nor are you the manufacturer.

You have no obligation to do anything.

[Baz]

Aside from all that....they should be repairable by a decent welder. An exhaust shop should be able to fix.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Baz

Aside from all that....they should be repairable by a decent welder. An exhaust shop should be able to fix.

This is what I was thinking, especially if it is just one side. Matter of fact the buyers description sounds like it may just be at the header/cat connection, sounds like an easy fix.

[drkshdw]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

I sold these aprox. a month ago and today I received a PM stating the drivers side header/cat had a leak/leaks . Per the buyer their mechanic pointed out multiple cracks on the drivers side .

How do you know his mechanic isn't bluffing because he wants to sell him a new exhaust?

Originally Posted by RANDY P

PS for some reason, I have had multiple problems with Porsche parts buyers- no one else, ever. Why do these cars attract dubious slimeballs?

rjp

Ever deal with Lexus parts buyers? Worse than Porsche. They want pristine new (better than dealer new) for less than scrap prices and complain about every little thing along the way. Did that for a year and did nothing but pulled my hair out. Never again!

[sammyg2]

It should be as described. If you described as being in good condition but it wasn't, you should to make it right.

[Drbraunsr]

You asked what would I do ? I'd make it right and split the cost to have it welded up and ask for him to quote the repair up front. Should be cheap and since you're asking us and not telling him to pound sand with no mention to the forum, you're a stand up guy.

[craigster59]

Let me preface this statement that I am an honest guy and stand behind what I would sell. With that given, I would tell him to take a "flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut" as this seems to be way beyond any implied warranty.

Just my opinion of course. Oh, I'm not a lawyer so don't take this as legal advice.

[KFC911]

I'll bend over backwards to make something "right" if there is any doubt in my mind and sometimes even if I am 100%, just being a sucker....but I sleep well at night. Smells like bs from the other side from this distance....did ya sleep well last night ?

Totally your call imo...you "owe" him nada....

edited: To add that I would never do such if I smelled a rat...

[DanielDudley]

I have a welder. I'd probably offer to weld it. I'd want to see it.

[rfuerst911sc]

I have not heard back yet from the buyer but I reread his PM to me . He stated he didn't " catch " the cracks when he looked them over when he received them , in my mind that either means they were NOT cracked or were cracked during installation . I slept fine last night as I did not deceive in my ad . I clearly stated I was not aware of any issues , there were no rattles of the cats but I had no idea how old they were or how many miles on them .

I clearly stated I purchased these used . When I pulled them off the car i did not see any cracks , no carbon traces and there were no leak noises . I did not clean them up to hide anything they were exactly as I removed them and the pics I posted in the ad were as removed . I sold these the 2nd week of April and I don't think I owe him anything . But we'll see what his response is .

[pavulon]

Maybe offer to split the repair bill 50/50. Karma is to be respected.

[recycled sixtie]

Most self respecting dudes would accept the failed exhaust as is and not bug the seller for compensation.

This guy is different. He is not aware of caveat emptor etc. Pavulon has a good suggestion to split the repair on it 50/50 but then the buyer might inflate the repair estimate!?!

If you and the buyer had signed a bill of sale with as is in it you might not have had this problem. I think I would go with Pavulon's suggestion to offer some compensation but not too much. If he gets p-ssy then?

[mreid]

Um, like you, I am a hobbiest who sells used parts that I replaced or upgraded at substantial discounts. I inspect every part and pack them very carefully for shipping, often at my own expense. What you are experiencing is exactly why “professional” sellers have disclaimers stating to inspect when opened and contact the shipper if damaged and not returnable once installed. You don’t know the condition it was in when the seller received it or how the installer “adjusted” the part during installation. You can only vouch for the condition when you shipped it. It would be above and beyond to share the cost of the repair, but that is a personal choice. I would discuss with the buyer and depending on his attitude and demands determine my actions. Remember, both of you agreed it was in good condition with none of the current issues known to either of you when he received it. That’s important.