356 Certificate of Authenticity

[nathanbs]

Perhaps a silly question but will a Certificate of authenticity on a '62 356 list original engine and trans serial numbers as it does with later model COA's

[nathanbs]

Has anybody on here ever gotten a COA on a 1962 or older car?

[T308]

Yes, it does. My 1961 Notch COA has those details as well as paint and interior color and code, options and completion date.

[CASair]

yes, every coa from Porsche will list that information. Even 993 and 996.

[nathanbs]

Thanks guys. I knew it did on the newer cars but not on the older ones.

[Miguel Antonett]

in case of a 356, you should get the "Kardex Card".

[ensys]

Porsche stopped providing copies of the Kardex quite some time ago.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by ensys

Porsche stopped providing copies of the Kardex quite some time ago.

Yup. German privacy laws... even to an original owner. But there was a guy on the 356 email list that had access, he was in sweden IIRC ...

[djpateman]

I can get Kardex for the 356 up through the 1969 model year 911 & 912.
Very good pricing now. Email me for information.
The COA is prepared using the Kardex, but can have information with-held.
The Kardex was a warranty record card, so it does not always have the production details.
I have obtained a Kardex that only had the VIN and the engine #; this was a car sold through Hoffman in NYC when he was the distributor. If this is all that the Kardex contained, then it is all that the COA will contain.
The details on the Kardex also need to be translated sometimes, and I can certainly help with this. With over 300 Kardex in my database I have been able to learn quite a bit, and this makes the translations better. For one thing, the people filling out the Kardex were not very consistent, and could call an option several different things. I can go back to the options tables, and figure out just what the option was. Dates on the Kardex can be many things. One thing that they are not is the completion date. In most cases the earliest date is the Invoice date from Porsche to the dealer or distributor; this can be several weeks after actual production line completion. How do I know this? I have several Kardex for early 911's where I also have the production book listings for the same car. In some instances I also have the factory Invoice.The Factory Invoice date exactly matches the Kardex date and is weeks later than the Production Book completion date. The second date on the Kardex is generally the date of sale, or more important for the factory, the date that warranty commences. For the 356 some Kardex also have the warranty expiry date; only 6 months of warranty coverage back then.
David

[FastAL]

The COA for my 1962 356B T-6 (built Nov. 1961) matches the Kardex exactly. The engine and transmission serial numbers are listed on both.

[M491Cabriolet]

David, Sent you an email. Thanks.

[89826]

Porsche no longer provides engine and transmission numbers on CoA's.

[PD41]

Originally Posted by 89826

Porsche no longer provides engine and transmission numbers on CoA's.

I just got mine a month ago for my 53 and it came with the engine number
but no trans number.

[89826]

I was at the Werks Reunion today in Monterey, and as usual there were people from Porsche providing Kardex data. Both representatives said that Porsche no longer provides engine and transmission serial numbers, but will confirm if your numbers are correct.

[djpateman]

With Porsche now requiring engine & transmission #'s to be provided, the Kardex makes more sense than ever. While the Kardex may not include the information such as transmission # at least you will have the best available information. The early Kardex may be sparse since Hoffman did not do much of a job filling them in. One I got for a client had only the engine #, and it was written in blue ink; the first I have seen in color. I did get one 911 Kardex that only had the VIN so we had to look in the Reutter book to see that the body had been delivered; I still suspect that it was never completed.