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Geronimo 07-18-2018 05:46 AM

Any jacking pitfalls?
 
Okay, so first Porsche here and going to do my first oil change on it. Ordered my oil, and filter and crushrings,

So far everything on this car is just a bit different than any other car I have had. I am looking and reading about the oil change and trying to read between some of the different opinions.

Wondering on the jacking of the car for an oil change, looking like generally you lift it and get her up and level after a good warm up.

Are there any pointer when jacking these cars to make sure I don't create expensive regrets?

Geronimo 07-18-2018 05:52 AM

Also, I was thinking about a lift, saw the QJ here on PP and thought that was a neat solution. Anyone here invest in a lift for Porsche care duties?

carreradpt 07-18-2018 05:58 AM

You don't need to jack it to change the oil. Be prepared for an onslaught of oil when you drain the tank. I warned you. Don't over tighten the filter or the drain plugs.

Oh and make sure your container can take a large quantity of oil quickly. Be prepared.

cabmandone 07-18-2018 05:59 AM

I have never jacked my car up to change the oil. Mine is lowered to about Euro spec. maybe a bit lower and I can still get a pan under the engine plug and I use a cut 5 gallon bucket for the main tank. As for jacking the car up, I spent the money for the jack pad. Money well spent

https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/SIC80400000.htm?pn=SIC-804-000-00&gclid=CjwKCAjwyrvaBRACEiwAcyuzREZhp9gNAiPwqGpgJ y05JSnvnvsLu8WbuWeC7rQlIHPZrti-3HOvyBoCzSAQAvD_BwE

cabmandone 07-18-2018 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carreradpt (Post 10111831)
You don't need to jack it to change the oil. Be prepared for an onslaught of oil when you drain the tank. I warned you. Don't over tighten the filter or the drain plugs.

Oh and make sure you container can take a large quantity of oil quickly. Be prepared.

^^^^ That right there! First time I changed my oil I used my normal pan that only has about a 3/4 opening in the top. Suffice it to say that didn't go well.

carreradpt 07-18-2018 06:02 AM

Like this?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531922466.JPG

75 911s 07-18-2018 06:04 AM

Go slow. Be 100% Safe.

Many pitfalls. Use the torsion bars in the back. Use a rag on the jack to protect the bar.

Use the jack pad Pelican sells ( the extension piece that goes in your side jack point in the rocker panel)

I like to have a spare wheel under the middle of the car as an extra safety precaution. Once you have it jacked up, put one of the wheels under some low point. Better to crush the car / wheel than your body.

Get one of those 5 gallon home depot orange buckets. Just drain right into that. A plastic oil pan with a small hole will get overwhelmed and will overflow onto your garage floor.

There are many lift threads on here.

Geronimo 07-18-2018 06:14 AM

Yup I have the jackpad, PO included it with the car for me. I kinda like the idea of not having to lift the car for an oil change. Sound likes its a little tougher to get to things but still doable.

cabmandone 07-18-2018 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo (Post 10111858)
Yup I have the jackpad, PO included it with the car for me. I kinda like the idea of not having to lift the car for an oil change. Sound likes its a little tougher to get to things but still doable.

It's really not bad getting at things or at least I don't think it is. Compared to changing oil in my daughter's Ford Fusion I think the Porsche is easier (more expensive... but easier)

porsche930dude 07-18-2018 02:24 PM

Make yourself some ramps with a couple 4x4s and a 2x8 on top. I have a set of 4 of these. I work on alot of cars and more than half the time dont need to jack them up. Its alot faster and safer for you and the car. They are still a bit low for working under the porsche but it even helps to use them when jacking the car up because you arnt lifting it at an angle or as high before getting the stands under it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531952413.jpg

aread 07-18-2018 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carreradpt (Post 10111831)
You don't need to jack it to change the oil. Be prepared for an onslaught of oil when you drain the tank. I warned you. Don't over tighten the filter or the drain plugs.

Oh and make sure you container can take a large quantity of oil quickly. Be prepared.

All of this...really it a lot of oil. And the Jack pad does make life easier.

HarryD 07-18-2018 07:40 PM

My solution to the oil collection question. I do NOT jack the car up and it has been lowered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryD (Post 5664122)
My oil collection pan looks like this:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1104205323.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1104205339.jpg

The opening has a screen to catch you drain plug and is about 7" in diameter.

I can slip it under my car with minimal jacking to allow access to the sump plug.

It looks kinda like a 16 quart jerry can. Once it it filled, there is a port at the top to drain it into your container. Very slick.

More ideas here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/574348-what-do-you-use-catch-your-oil.html

Here is a post on where to jack and support your car:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryD (Post 7176343)
I lift mine one side at a time, support and then do the other side. Once the car is securely on the stands, I remove the wheels. Bill Verburgs diagram shows jacking and support points.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg (Post 2263696)
You can lift at any of the points marked with an X

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1133297845.jpg

Place jack stands at the Xs w/ an appropriate pad or under the suspension arms or t-bar tubes

W/ 1 jack don't go to max height w/ a single lift, walk it up by alternating sides.

To lift the back, jack at or just inboard of the stock lift point, place the stand u under the t bar tube near the outer end. Do the same on the other side.

Repeat to the necessary height

Here is the car on 4 stands using a similar procedure
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1133298240.jpg




This drawing by Icemaster updates Bill drawing above to show locations for supports (the O's) but you will be hard pressed to put a jack on these points.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icemaster (Post 3947290)



Bucketlist 07-19-2018 03:00 AM

The absolute main advise I can give you is "Don't Over Fill It". I, like many others poured new oil in until it reached the full mark on the dipstick like on any other car. After several days of trying to figure out why the excessive smoke on start-up and doing some research there was the very messy job of trying to drain out a couple of quarts of that nice new oil.......usually all over the floor. From my experience, only pouring in about 8 quarts to start with, run the engine, then add until you hit the quart low line on the dipstick. This level, for me, works great. The oil tank holds lots of oil so you aren't going to run out.

It's tight under there but can be done without lifting. The rear of my car sits on roll around jacks all the time so I can push it against the wall out of the way most of the time. These can also give you a few inches for oil changes or clean-up.
Good luck!

Mark Salvetti 07-19-2018 03:04 AM

I agree you don’t need to jack for an oil change.

As for lifts, do a search and you will find plenty of opinions. Four post lifts, scissor lifts, Max Jacks, Quick Jacks. I have a Quick Jack because I have very limited lift height in my garage and I like being able to easily move it and use it in the driveway.

Mark

markhoward 07-19-2018 07:23 AM

If using a jack pad, keep an eye on it while lifting as they can slip out of the slot. Using a floor jack placed perpendicular to car seems to make it worse, especially if floor is not smooth (like brushed concrete). Having the jack placed more parallel to car helps combat this. Love the wood ramps. I see that project in my future!

Jesse16 07-19-2018 11:36 AM

Like many others say, no jacking required for an oil change but getting the back wheels up a little on
some wood gives some welcome room to loosen the drain plugs and have the pan in place. A deep pan for the oil tank may contain the splash but it comes out fast.

OldSpool87 07-19-2018 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryD (Post 10112938)
My solution to the oil collection question. I do NOT jack the car up and it has been lowered.



More ideas here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/574348-what-do-you-use-catch-your-oil.html

Here is a post on where to jack and support your car:

Harry-

Who makes this container you use?

Thanks

'76 911S 3.0 07-19-2018 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSpool87 (Post 10113724)
Harry-

Who makes this container you use?

Thanks

I bought one very similar to Harry's from a PepBoys, albeit it is black and red, not green and white.

Edit: Found it online at AutoZone. One thing I do remember now it I drilled out the drain port on the pan because it was a series of small holes. I used a stepped drill bit and made it one large hole. Works perfectly.

https://www.autozone.com/shop-and-garage-tools/oil-drain-pan/flotool-16-qt-drain-container/700706_0_0?cmpid=PS:3:3:1&s_kwcid=AL!5142!3!193245 103672!!!g!296308263339!&ef_id=WgIZxAAAAFqE-nxO:20180719221459:s

kc911s 07-19-2018 03:21 PM

You can use one of the large oil containers from wal mart- just make sure you use a hole saw to make the hole larger. You need as much oil to flow into the container as possible.

jlex 07-19-2018 04:53 PM

No need to get fancy... just get a plastic tub for dish washing. I put in 10.5 quarts when I change the oil and filter. May add another half quart after warmup to bring it to a mark halfway between the add/filled lines.


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