My Custom Made Iozzio Classic Wheels.

[David 23]

Originally Posted by shawn908

Unique interpretation of the Fuchs pattern - its not often new, contemporary wheel designs are posted so congrats on the execution of design, function and fitment.

I think you have to acknowledge Magnus' Fifteen-52 Outlaw wheel as inspiration.

[VWLoosenuts]

Originally Posted by David 23

I think you have to acknowledge Magnus' Fifteen-52 Outlaw wheel as inspiration.

Yeah see I'm just not a fan of those.

[VWLoosenuts]

Originally Posted by David 23

Wheel fitment is generally of wide interest to 911 owners, and Bill has been regarded as very knowledgable in that area for many years. It seems to me he was simply trying to understand an unusual wheel configuration and fitment that didn't fit the norm. I was interested also, and I suspect others may be. I didn't sense any criticism in his comments, so perhaps constructively helping others understand an unusual configuration would be appreciated. The wheels are indeed beautifully made, weight would be interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing photos with tires.

I fully agree Bill is very knowledgeable from what I gather. This conversation and debate started out very respectful by me. I thanked him for the info many times. Yet I also insisted that we measured everything out and the wheels would be fine. He insisted they wouldn't be. Even after I posted the pictures of the wheel installed, he continued to tell me it cannot fit. I insisted I measured for my car. I wasn't worried about what normally works. I wanted a specific fitment regardless of what comes from factory specs. Now after you spend this kind of money and actually have them maker of the wheels at your house to specify measure and you are all exited about the wheels to have someone come off as if I'm in the wrong when I've continued to post pictures. I even posted a pic of my stock suspension. Honestly some people cant let it go when they are wrong. Dude cant even bring it to himself to say the wheels are nice or even look like ****. its just aggravating.


Comments after I posted pics showing what I measured worked for my application. Now maybe 99.9% of the time these wouldn't work for other cars. I don't know if they would or wouldn't. But as I mentioned above if I went off his recommendations of what "should" work, my font wheels would have been completely wrong and not even fit within my fenders. This is why you measure EVERY car not just go off what should work based on factory specs. Again not saying they are wrong but they are wrong for my application.

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

Please, check the back space on the front 7's

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

a 7 w/ 5.5" backspace as you originally posted just cannot fit right on a 911 w/ stock suspension.
So please do us all a favor and measure the actual bakspace

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

yes you have a 7 and yes the back space is 5.5"
That implies the suspension is different from a stock 911

I have no disrespect for him just frustrated it couldn't be left alone even after pics. and being told after pictures posted that 7 w/5.5 cannot fit did kinda get to me.

[Canada Kev]

First, your wheels look good. The Magnus/Fifteen52 cut out petals look isn't really my cup of tea, but I recognize their merits and appeal and yours do have that.

Bill knows what he's talking about - wheels and fitment are kind of his thing and I respect his knowledge and experience. The numbers here appear to not jive with the information accepted in the air cooled 911 world as fact, so there is some confusion. I get that. Bill wants to get to the bottom of it as unanswered questions get in his craw, sit there and fester and keep him awake at night. That's the kind of guy I want working on my problems.

I think the biggest thing as I see it, considering most of the conversation seemed to focus on front spacing, is that you measured your hub face to lip as 2.75". The Fuchs to which Bill referred has a FS of about 2.9". So using those dimensions, it looks like the Fuchs wheel would foul your fender lip.

And it might. IF you stuffed that 16" wheel up into the fender like you want to do with yours. But no one that has one of these cars and sets them up to handle high speed roads and the track would ever encounter that situation. One just wouldn't have the car that low.

When I had a set of those Fuchs on my car, it was very close to the fender lip. My tire made contact and the lips needed to be rolled. It never occurred to me to measure how close the actual wheel came to the fender as the suspension would never even come close to being compressed far enough for the wheel to be stuffed, and my car was very low at that time.

But your wheels wouldn't have that issue. You gave yourself some extra space as you knew you would dramatically lower the car and clearance would be a real issue without doing so.

Back spacing: 5.5" is a lot. However, Bill did say that should work, depending on the tire:

Originally Posted by Bill Verburg

typically a 911 front can use up to an 8" w/ front space of up to ~3.5" back space isn't usually much of a concern here, though w/ maxed tires like a 245/ it can be an issue.

I don't know where a too deep wheel would first make contact, but I suspect it would be the strut. The things these wheels and your setup has going for it is the 18" diameter and small tires. The larger diameter wheel should give a bit more room as the strut angles inward, away from the wheel so there would be more room as the diameter increased. Your low profile and narrow tires will also lend more space as they won't likely be wider than the wheel.


In the end, I don't see an issue here, in YOUR application.

Would these wheels in your size be good for myself or others on this forum? Likely not. This wheel size and offset is not conducive to a performance application on any air cooled 911. For street cred, boulevard cruising and shows, absolutely. The slammed in the weeds, inset wheels with rubber band tires VW scene looks hot. But they're not race cars. They're completely different applications.

In this situation, it works. And looks good. I suspect there was some confusion on how the numbers and information was applied. Nobody was wrong here, just some miscommunication.

I look forward to the completion of your project, Jeremy. I think it'll look great.

[QueWhy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton

Been watching this thread with interest.... I know a little about wheel fitment on these cars.

Being an 18 inch wheel (not my first choice) as the wheel diameter increases so does the available backspace as the inner lip climbs higher on the strut.

Bill is 100% correct on everything he says for 15/16/17 inch wheels. But because most people don't run 18's there isn't a bunch of data.

Most builds are most concerned about having the tire clear the outer fender lip. I have built 18's for G-body cars (race) that fit the typical build numbers.

My thoughts are unless a narrow tire is used this will rub pretty good on the inner fender/trunk wall before steering lock is reached.

I may have missed it, but what size tire are you running on the front?

The car looks like it is shaping up to be in the style of a slammed beetle, which requires a very tucked in front wheel, and IIRC that is the genre the builder of the wheels is from, so it may work out perfect.

Cheers

Instantly what I thought of. Should be popular with the hipster PDX crowd.

[VWLoosenuts]

Originally Posted by Canada Kev

First, your wheels look good. The Magnus/Fifteen52 cut out petals look isn't really my cup of tea, but I recognize their merits and appeal and yours do have that.

Bill knows what he's talking about - wheels and fitment are kind of his thing and I respect his knowledge and experience. The numbers here appear to not jive with the information accepted in the air cooled 911 world as fact, so there is some confusion. I get that. Bill wants to get to the bottom of it as unanswered questions get in his craw, sit there and fester and keep him awake at night. That's the kind of guy I want working on my problems.

I think the biggest thing as I see it, considering most of the conversation seemed to focus on front spacing, is that you measured your hub face to lip as 2.75". The Fuchs to which Bill referred has a FS of about 2.9". So using those dimensions, it looks like the Fuchs wheel would foul your fender lip.

And it might. IF you stuffed that 16" wheel up into the fender like you want to do with yours. But no one that has one of these cars and sets them up to handle high speed roads and the track would ever encounter that situation. One just wouldn't have the car that low.

When I had a set of those Fuchs on my car, it was very close to the fender lip. My tire made contact and the lips needed to be rolled. It never occurred to me to measure how close the actual wheel came to the fender as the suspension would never even come close to being compressed far enough for the wheel to be stuffed, and my car was very low at that time.

But your wheels wouldn't have that issue. You gave yourself some extra space as you knew you would dramatically lower the car and clearance would be a real issue without doing so.

Back spacing: 5.5" is a lot. However, Bill did say that should work, depending on the tire:



I don't know where a too deep wheel would first make contact, but I suspect it would be the strut. The things these wheels and your setup has going for it is the 18" diameter and small tires. The larger diameter wheel should give a bit more room as the strut angles inward, away from the wheel so there would be more room as the diameter increased. Your low profile and narrow tires will also lend more space as they won't likely be wider than the wheel.


In the end, I don't see an issue here, in YOUR application.

Would these wheels in your size be good for myself or others on this forum? Likely not. This wheel size and offset is not conducive to a performance application on any air cooled 911. For street cred, boulevard cruising and shows, absolutely. The slammed in the weeds, inset wheels with rubber band tires VW scene looks hot. But they're not race cars. They're completely different applications.

In this situation, it works. And looks good. I suspect there was some confusion on how the numbers and information was applied. Nobody was wrong here, just some miscommunication.

I look forward to the completion of your project, Jeremy. I think it'll look great.

I would agree with everything here. Thanks

And thank you very much

[VWLoosenuts]

Originally Posted by QueWhy

Instantly what I thought of. Should be popular with the hipster PDX crowd.

Well I am a vw guy through and through. Very far from a PDX hipster though

[SoCalSK8r]

I can’t wait to see this build done, these wheels are fantastic and I like your vision!

[1979-930]

I like it. Something different. You’re not following the traditional performance driven build. It’s more of a custom look and vibe build.

The wheels look better than the 52Fifteen wheels. The petals are narrower and the cut around the radius is nice.

But what is a PDX hipster?


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[VWLoosenuts]

Originally Posted by SoCalSK8r

I can’t wait to see this build done, these wheels are fantastic and I like your vision!

Thanks a lot. Can’t wait myself.

Originally Posted by 1979-930

I like it. Something different. You’re not following the traditional performance driven build. It’s more of a custom look and vibe build.

The wheels look better than the 52Fifteen wheels. The petals are narrower and the cut around the radius is nice.

But what is a PDX hipster?


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I kinda travel a different path then most. And thank you

PDX standard for Portland Oregon. PDX is our airport.

[QueWhy]

Originally Posted by VWLoosenuts

Well I am a vw guy through and through. Very far from a PDX hipster though

I wasn't necessarily implying you are a hipster, just that it seems to me the car you are building would be popular with the "I bring my typewriter to the coffee shop" crowd. Judging by your signature it seems you have a business and I assumed this car is being built to sell or for advertising.

That's a wild looking Bug! Is it your creation?

[VWLoosenuts]

Originally Posted by QueWhy

I wasn't necessarily implying you are a hipster, just that it seems to me the car you are building would be popular with the "I bring my typewriter to the coffee shop" crowd. Judging by your signature it seems you have a business and I assumed this car is being built to sell or for advertising.

That's a wild looking Bug! Is it your creation?

I hear what you are saying. I’m not a coffee shop person lol. Unless 711 coffee in the morning counts. Hahah.

Yes both those bugs are my creation and I do own a business in the VW aircooled industry. I am the owneree if VWLooseNuts.com. I manufacture the safari front. Side and rear windows that open as pictured in those two cars.

The Porsche is just a dream car but will really have no association to the advertising of the company

[VWLoosenuts]

Final fitment of everything

Need to finish up the bumper brackets I built. They are in but need to finalize some small items on them, as well as the air ride setup.

Finish up the rear center section also

[Teutonics]

Originally Posted by VWLoosenuts

Final fitment of everything...

That design is WAAAYYY better than the MW Outlaw. $6k is out of my league, but if that were available in a mass-produced (i.e. cheaper... and 17") version I'd seriously consider that design. Looks great!

[shawn908]

I agree - those wheels are far more original and contemporary in their interpretation of Fuchs wheel than other Fuchs iterations (e.g. MW/1552, nice though they are, of course). I see yours as re-imagined Fuchs, analogous to Singer a re-imagined Porsche 911. And those rear fenders are a work of art. Well the whole car is - look forward to seeing the project completed. ✌️

[AG81]

I love both, your new styled Fuch like wheel and the Fifteen 52 Outlaw wheel aka the Magnus wheel.
Not sure who had the idea first. They are in fact the same idea with a different spin on the spoke cut out design. Call it apples and apples, not so much apples and oranges.

[jac1976]

Always thought those particular Magnus wheels were a mashup of Fuchs and Empi...

[AG81]

Very Similar.

[VWLoosenuts]

Thanks guys. I also wasn't a real fan of the fifteen52 look.

[AG81]

I actually like the Fifteen 52's.....and certainly like yours too !!!