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Knockdown 08-16-2018 05:33 AM

PMO ITB/AEM 2.7L Install Notes
 
Thanks to Al at X-Faktory and Andrew at Rasant, I have received a really nice kit for my 2.7L induction/ignition system upgrades. 40mm PMO ITB's, AEM 506 and Rasant's MIL-SPEC harness, which is really nice BTW.

I intend to use this thread to just post some tips in case the info may be beneficial to someone else in the future.

Here's a pic of the recipient, all in her glorious black primer paint.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1534426261.jpg

Knockdown 08-16-2018 06:06 AM

Table Top Check Out
 
The kit provided is so complete, one really does not need to do a table top check out, but since I wanted to install later this year, I had to play with it!

The table top setup consisted of a 12V 3A power supply fed by an uninterruptible power supply for the battery connection, a toggle switch to simulate the ignition switch, tied all of the ground connections together on the harness an attached to the power supply return.

One important aspect of the AEM is that when you key off the ignition, it can attempt to save any changes in the ECU memory if enabled in the wizard. If the 12V is removed during this process, it can hose the ECU. I turned this feature off, but still monitored the current when I switched off the ignition prior to removing BATT power.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1534428300.JPG

Having the table top setup really makes it nice to check out the sensors like TPS, MAP, FP, & CHT, and probably more importantly, get familiar with the AEM SW. Plus it's a nice conversation piece when company comes over.;)

Knockdown 08-16-2018 06:49 AM

AEM Diagnostics
 
To control the injector and coil drivers of the ECU directly, you need to flash the AEM diagnostic firmware into the ECU. After you register on the AEM site, you can download this file as well as your current firmware which you will need to reload when you're done with the diagnostics. Of course you need to save your session file prior to doing this so you can restore that as well.

Once you have the diagnostic firmware installed, you can pulse the coil drivers, I observed these with an o-scope, and the injectors, I just rotated an injector around to make sure all responded OK.

A couple of important points, if you are using a power supply, make sure you have an UPS since if power is removed during the firmware load, the ECU can be hosed and require return to AEM. In addition, make sure the box "keep configuration data" is not checked when reloading your current firmware version, if it is checked, the firmware load will fail.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1534430899.JPG

Knockdown 09-23-2018 11:56 AM

CIS Out!
 
The CIS is out! Next comes the engine bay, shroud, wiring and hose clean up.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1537732501.jpg

l_turn9 09-23-2018 02:19 PM

What fuel pump are you using? And what year is your car? BTW, I installed a BitzRacing EFI system a few years ago - it has a Single TB and I love it but naturally would have preferred the PMO ITBs. Looking forward to hearing about your installation -

LarryT
74 911 EFI

Knockdown 09-23-2018 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l_turn9 (Post 10192364)
What fuel pump are you using? And what year is your car? BTW, I installed a BitzRacing EFI system a few years ago - it has a Single TB and I love it but naturally would have preferred the PMO ITBs. Looking forward to hearing about your installation -

LarryT
74 911 EFI

I installed Walbro GCL608 awhile back when the old one started leaking, mine is a 77s. Bitz kit is nice!

l_turn9 09-24-2018 05:59 AM

Thanks for the info! After I installed the Bitz I reached thru the Driver's window and turned the key, this was the 1st time I had tried to start it - the engine rolled over 2 or 3 times as the intake system filled up then it started and instantly settled down to a 950-1000rpm idle - I was ecstatic! While I miss the sound of the Webers, I enjoy the consistency and reliability of EFI. I enjoy tinkering and have spent many hours adjusting the MAP. It's incredibly complex as I'm sure you know, but plugging in my laptop and having my mate drive around while I make adjustments is awesome! Will you be setting up the MAP yourself or will someone else do it? Regardless, be patient and be sure to get the idle consistent 1st, then look at all the points of Temperature and RPM. Good luck! Thanks for posting your progress! BTW, I told my Install Story in Excellence. I'll have to look for the issue...

Knockdown 09-24-2018 10:49 AM

Thanks! I hope I know enough to be doing my own tuning, time will tell;)

l_turn9 09-26-2018 11:18 AM

I'm sure you will. Lots of T&E. Is the AES506 the ECU? If so, does AES provide a manual? Megasquirt offers a very comprehensive manual that tells the details of tuning a ECU from start to finish. I was completely new to EFI when I started and had to go slowly and take it all in. but in the end it was worth it. The Megasquirt manual is on the internet somewhere - it's free and I'm sure Google will find it if needed. It may give a different perspective if need be...
Best wishes for a successful and fun project!

l_turn9 09-26-2018 12:56 PM

Forgot to ask what software you will use to tune the ECU?

'76 911S 3.0 09-26-2018 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l_turn9 (Post 10195793)
I'm sure you will. Lots of T&E. Is the AES506 the ECU? If so, does AES provide a manual? Megasquirt offers a very comprehensive manual that tells the details of tuning a ECU from start to finish. I was completely new to EFI when I started and had to go slowly and take it all in. but in the end it was worth it. The Megasquirt manual is on the internet somewhere - it's free and I'm sure Google will find it if needed. It may give a different perspective if need be...
Best wishes for a successful and fun project!

It is an AEM Infinity 506, and yes, we do provide a very thorough and comprehensive user manual available for download on our website: https://www.aemelectronics.com/files/instructions/Infinity-ECU-Full-Manual.pdf

Quote:

Originally Posted by l_turn9 (Post 10195924)
Forgot to ask what software you will use to tune the ECU?

Infinity Tuner is the software used to calibrate the Infinity ECU's.

Knockdown 09-26-2018 07:07 PM

Thanks Jayson, good to hear from you! The AEM and Rasant documentation is pretty good. I also took a couple of courses from High Performance Academy that I really enjoyed and found useful, lots of practical info.

pampadori 09-27-2018 06:23 AM

Hi Knockdown,
You're in for a very fun project! I've been enjoying my AEM/Triumph ITB setup for a while now and it has been solid as a rock in terms of reliability.
For the first few months after i got the tune pretty solid I would play with different settings in the calibration - mostly decel, wall wetting, smooth out the timing map, etc. I'm now at a place where I don't really mess with it much at all. I guess its "dialed in" as they say now.

Some things I learned along the way that might help:
1. I struggled getting it to run well with VE based on MAP. once i switched to throttle % it really improved. I believe this is referred to as Alpha N tuning. I also run the ign against throttle %. (technically, MAP is used too but not as the primary)
2. I have changed the values in the "chargetempblend" table. This table isn't visible in any of the out of the box layouts so i had to add it manually in order to change its values. This table dictates whether priority is given to intake temp vs coolant temp (CHT in our cases) to determine charge density. Lower values give priority to air temp, higher gives it to CHT.
3. Wall wetting - I found that I had to run pretty high values here compared to folks with single throttle bodies. If you get the motor running but it refuses to rev up smoothly or If you get lean pops thru the velocity stacks when you crack open the throttles, you need more fuel added via this table. Use your ears and try to get the smoothest, fastest revs by manipulating this table. err...at least that was how i did it.

I enjoyed tuning so much that I almost considered a career change. it was just too much dang fun! Looking forward to hearing updates.

al lkosmal 09-27-2018 08:22 AM

Have fun with the project.....

regards,
al

Knockdown 09-27-2018 02:37 PM

Great info pampadori, thanks, and it is fun, really like having the CIS out!

cobrar96 09-30-2018 11:34 AM

Great info and good luck! I also have a 77 911 S and am curious how this turns out for you.

Knockdown 10-15-2018 03:47 PM

Just fitting the CAM and CRANK triggers. On a 2.7L, you have to grind away some case material at 10o’clock around the new crank pulley. Getting the pin out of distributer gear was stubborn, then I read a 16 year old post from John Walker stating he uses an air hammer. Hey, I got one of those and it did the trick, thanks John!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539647112.jpg

tperazzo 10-16-2018 08:17 AM

Thanks for sharing this! I'm taking notes for my future engine.

lvporschepilot 10-17-2018 06:51 AM

Rasant's sensor is really outstanding!

Knockdown 10-18-2018 02:57 PM

Thought I would post a pic of the case mod needed for any mag guys out here.

BTW, getting the pin installed for the cam trigger pinion gear is also a bit challenging.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1539903380.jpg

Jonny042 10-19-2018 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lvporschepilot (Post 10218524)
Rasant's sensor is really outstanding!

No experience with it, but yes, it is.....

I love seeing people develop products like this for our cars. Good for Rasant!!

Knockdown 01-05-2019 09:59 AM

Well, it’s been awhile, so thought a progress pic was in order. Lots of little sub projects to get to this point; wiring, drilling, grinding, cutting, etc. Currently checking the throttle linkage, next will be fuel hoses.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1546714630.jpg

jjeffries 01-05-2019 01:19 PM

Very cool car and excellent project. Keep it coming! John/CT

Knockdown 01-14-2019 01:15 PM

Well, the end of Phase 2 is complete, that is the installation phase. I decided to not change the intake manifold studs to the longer ones used with the phenolic isolation blocks as the studs were really being stubborn and the thought of breaking one of those off didn’t thrill me. I did try heat and had a stud remove socket but the first one I tried didn’t budge. So, I ordered three sets of intake manifold gaskets to shim up the intake manifolds to get clearance above the shroud, this left plenty of thread for the 12mm wrench size nuts and wave washers sourced from Belmetric. Per Al’s suggestion, I applied a thin coat of 574 to the gasket mating surfaces.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1547503374.jpg

I decided to mount the AEM 506 ECU and circular connector of the Rasant Mil-Spec harness up on the firewall, just couldn’t see getting that pretty connector all dirty down below.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1547503928.jpg

Still have some tidying up, but that will come after the fuel and ignition checkout, and first start attempt.

Knockdown 02-02-2019 08:03 AM

It’s Alive!

https://youtu.be/FrG5BPAtVkA

al lkosmal 02-02-2019 08:08 AM

Congratulations....pivotal moment in the process and no better feeling than turning the key and hearing that engine fire up. Sounds great!

regards,
al

wreckah 02-02-2019 08:20 AM

sounds sweet!

jjeffries 02-02-2019 08:32 AM

Starts like a Camry, and I mean that as a serious compliment.
Will you tune this yourself, dialing it in with a laptop, or send it to a dyno tuner?
Much appreciated, John

Knockdown 02-02-2019 10:12 AM

Thanks Al! Yours and Andrew’s kit and your technical support make this a fun project! Sure is nice having a laptop displaying all the pertinent info.

The plan John is to get as close as possible and then maybe fine tune on a dyno at some point.

Knockdown 02-22-2019 02:14 PM

First drive out on the road today, boy did that feel nice! Had some issues with crank timing errors while cranking the motor. Cleaned the ground strap connection to chassis up by the gearbox and that helped a bit. Also set the resync on missing crank triggers to ignore on the diagnostic page in the wizard, seems to be starting reliably now. Let the tuning begin!

Knockdown 02-22-2019 02:18 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1550877516.jpg

mikedsilva 02-22-2019 03:08 PM

Congrats mate :)

OSC911 02-22-2019 05:10 PM

Sounds fantastic. You have done a great job. I have a '76 and I am about to get serious really soon with the same set up as you. Just a quick question - did you relocate the fuel pump from the LH wheel are to the later location up front? I am not sure if it is required and if the high pressure pump will be ok that far from the tank.

Knockdown 02-22-2019 07:03 PM

Thanks! My 77 has the fuel pump up front near the cross member. I pulled the fuel pump relay up front and connected the new fuel pump relay in the engine compartment to the fuel pump circuit that powered some of the CIS stuff. The wire size was a bit marginal but should be ok. Red/white wire in the engine bay if memory serves me correctly.

al lkosmal 02-22-2019 08:01 PM

Nice to see this project coming together and.....the sharing of info.

regards,
al

Knockdown 02-23-2019 05:01 AM

One of the nicest aspects of transitioning to EFI is the information gathered up during logging. Here is just a small portion of the data logged during the first run primarily just to see if the sensors are behaving as expected. The AEMdata program makes this even more accessible since I can transfer the log file to my desktop PC in the den and peruse the timeline.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1550930396.png

KMoore68 04-06-2019 06:27 AM

Hi,

Do you happen to have a ballpark estimate for what this setup ended up costing?

Thanks,

75 911s 04-06-2019 07:14 AM

Nice work! I look forward to doing this project myself.

Knockdown 04-06-2019 01:51 PM

It ran around $9k with the hi-rel harness from Rasant, which BTW, is really nice.

Duane, the car is transformed, really has come alive.

OSC911 04-18-2019 09:22 PM

Just a quick question - did you still retain the original '77 tach and what was involve in getting it working with your new set up?


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