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kamaro 08-18-2018 06:58 PM

Docklid condenser clearance in a CIS engine
 
I spent the last 3 days trying to get the dick lid mounted A/C condenser to clear the CIS air box with no luck!, anyone here that has the rear condenser mounted successfuly on his CIS engine without any clearance issues??


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fanaudical 08-18-2018 07:11 PM

My '75 Targa had AC when I got it in 2010 (I've since deleted the AC). I'll see if I can find some pics. As I recall, the condenser was curved to match the deck lid and was very tight against the CIS air box. There were rub marks on both the air box cover and the condenser.

SkiVT 08-19-2018 03:10 AM

My condensor that I removed when I deleted my AC was curved matching the decklid. It was tight but didnt hit the aircleaner box top. Is your condensor flat?

kamaro 08-19-2018 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkiVT (Post 10148247)
My condensor that I removed when I deleted my AC was curved matching the decklid. It was tight but didnt hit the aircleaner box top. Is your condensor flat?

No its curved, and looks very well made. Its part of the A/C kit that I got from Classic Auto Air (originally a Rennair kit).

kamaro 08-19-2018 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanaudical (Post 10148112)
My '75 Targa had AC when I got it in 2010 (I've since deleted the AC). I'll see if I can find some pics. As I recall, the condenser was curved to match the deck lid and was very tight against the CIS air box. There were rub marks on both the air box cover and the condenser.

If you can find a pic showing how its bracketed to the lid, that would be helpful. thank.

lsf911 08-19-2018 04:29 AM

I have one mounted in my SC without issue. It's tight though. I'll take some pictures of the mounting brackets and post them for you.

lsf911 08-19-2018 04:43 AM

My photography skills are lacking...not sure any of these will help.

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Mike Andrew 08-19-2018 05:31 AM

Good luck. I fiddled a lot and still have 2 spots that have interference issues but not really bad and not on the airbox. Fins are slightly deformed but still flow air; maybe a couple sq. inches. Maybe this winter it is time to remove the compressor bracket and mill some material off of the back. Just not enough adjustment options with the condenser mounting brackets.
Griff (kuehl) told me a few years ago that it is possible to carefully shape the condenser a bit but I am reluctant to attempt this.

HaroldMHedge 08-19-2018 06:30 AM

Here is the Retroair (now Classic Auto Air) rear condenser installed in my 87 Carrera. I used Griffiths hoses for this install.

Center Mount

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1534688203.jpg

Left Mount

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1534687842.jpg

Right Mount

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1534687889.jpg

When mounting the condenser check the grill T-bolts, 911-559-433-00, clearance. I needed to shorten the long ones to get enough clearance.

For the center mount I used high density foam weather stripping from the hardware store instead of the low density Porsche foam, 911-537-141-00. This has held up well over the last several years.

kamaro 08-19-2018 07:49 AM

Thanks a million guys for the pics. It seems that I need to move the condenser much closer to the lid, I will try to fabricate a couple of Z shaped aluminum brackets to do the job, the L shaped brackets that came with the kit does not permit that.

Thanks again ISF911 and HaroldMHedge for the pics!

HaroldMHedge 08-19-2018 08:20 AM

You should not have to make new brackets. Mine was a tight fit and I might have bent the condenser left and right mount for better alignment.

Before making new brackets try loosening the hinges slightly and then fit the condenser.

macssc911 08-19-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HaroldMHedge (Post 10148520)
You should not have to make new brackets. Mine was a tight fit and I might have bent the condenser left and right mount for better alignment.

Before making new brackets try loosening the hinges slightly and then fit the condenser.

Harold, Your condenser do you know how much thinner over a stock mount unit. I have PMO CARBS and had to remove my stock condenser just went a/c delete at that point.
Thanks

HaroldMHedge 08-19-2018 12:33 PM

macssc911,

Just measured my rear condenser's thickness in the fin area. Lucky, I still have the factory one in storage. Measured with a cheap digital caliper.

Porsche 34 mm
Retroair 26 mm

So you gain about 8 mm additional clearance.

kamaro 08-19-2018 01:26 PM

I managed to get it installed with about a millimeter to spare!, I fabricated two new brackets using a 1/8 in. thick aluminum sheet plate that I had laying around, here are a couple of pics of the final fitment :

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps44mcykuz.png

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps6gshw88x.png


Thanks again guys for the help!

fanaudical 08-19-2018 02:56 PM

Sorry - I never did find any good close-up pics. It looks like you got it sorted - good job!

fintstone 08-19-2018 03:34 PM

Here is a factory style condenser on a '74 with a 3.0 cis engine. Note the factory center bracket effectively sets the height.

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macssc911 08-19-2018 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaroldMHedge (Post 10148805)
macssc911,

Just measured my rear condenser's thickness in the fin area. Lucky, I still have the factory one in storage. Measured with a cheap digital caliper.

Porsche 34 mm
Retroair 26 mm

So you gain about 8 mm additional clearance.

Harold, Thanks a bunch, didn’t mean to put you through all od that
Thanks Again


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