The miles are 86k not low but not over 100k. I’d say on the high side by 20k for a collector car.
However by the time I’m done it will be a high mileage car.
But they all should be high mile cars by then.

There is some original color behind the door panels and under the car.
But it’s all overspray type of paint. Nothing that would show the true depth of the color.



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IMO, with 86k miles paint it whatever color you want. That’s not collector grade mileage and a paint job won’t make a difference. Just drive it and enjoy man, don’t sweat the details.

Should I change the color back?
 

Well it’s JWE. One of the only shops that will make sure the pan is installed exactly they way it should be. You don’t leave on any of the front body panels, fuel system, AC system, or suspension installed do you? If you really start looking at it the side rockers even need to come off. The AC hoses along the side are in the way. The car has to go on the Cellett.
So maybe it’s 1/3 the way. Semantics right...



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I restore cars for a living in addition to state of the art collision repair. I said on average 400-500 hours because the average car has a crazy mish mash of old bodywork, collision, rust etc. you always think you’ve seen it all until the next one. Don’t forget this car has been repainted so it likely had a root cause of that repaint not unlike the current owners mentality about his front pan replacement. Yes more like 90 days minimum and more like 6 months is more realistic. Me personally I would charge not a penny less than $8000 on the front pan and I would start at $30,000 on the paint job and it only goes up from there depending on what I find. My hourly is $100/hr. If you think I’m nuts ask Jimtweet on here that does several builds out of his garage a year if he’s lucky what he thinks about my time estimates. That’s why it’s scary to me what you might get for $8-10k

Porsche’s are unique in the fact that they are driven. Ferrari’s don’t get driven. Porsche’s get driven an incredible amount. There’s a porsche drive event almost every single weekend among other things. Mileage is not a deal breaker for a porsche unless it’s only 15 or less years old. Does that mean that low mileage examples are worth more? No of course they are. Especially because they are so damn rare.

Care to post your biz name so I know to avoid it :)

In all seriousness, you’re talking about what you charge doing builds out of your garage, I’m talking about what professional shops have quoted me who do this work day in day out. Bit of economies of scale at play there. I have seen what their end result is first hand and it’s certainly not scary lol. And to be clear we’re talking about resprays only.

Personally, I think that the Indiana Metallic Red is a horrible color (not as bad a the various shart browns that some 911s are slathered with, butt certainly close) and would not return a car that I liked to that color for any reason.

On my own car for a hole the size of a quarter. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1545622758.jpg

I haven’t worked out of my garage since 1997. I was referring to jimtweet on here that would charge $8000 for a front pan and he works out of his garage. I promise you if I saw the same work you are impressed by I would be horrified. I’m not on here to promote my business and I can’t take in a project for over a year so the feeing is mutual :) By the way it’s never a “respray only” on any car older than a couple years.

Lol, agreed.

No cellette bench going on here, and these guys create the metal. Having a bare tub on a rotisserie is a luxury in this case but not required to do the job.




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Yo' Deez, even if you were to paint the car that nasty (not in a good way! :eek:) color and not actually regret it (don't see how that is possible, however, as you are not blind, as evidenced by you choice of mate :D), you will regret the relentless and enduring, virtual pounding that I will give you for doing so! Getcha suuummmmmmmm, bro!!!

The answer to the question of a repaint:
1) is the rest of the car original? Have wheels, seats, wing been swapped out? Did someone cut big holes for a stereo? Have the original door panels gone and RS cards in place? If original, go to (2)
2) do you ever wish somewhat, even a little bit, like it was more original? Do you lust after shiny unmodified cars?. If yes go to (3)
(3) do you have the funds and time and energy for a glass out, engine out, interior out repaint?

If yes to all those you should repaint. The question of if you like the color can be answered by the fact that 911s look great in every color when presented well. Metallic reds look awesome. As it is PTS you don’t have an original exact color to go by and you can probably tweak it with mica metallic or similar to get it the best possible version of that shade. This is normal, even two GR cars parked next to each other can look different, whether through repaints or through fading.

If no to any, just fix the pan - you won’t need to paint the exterior.

Ps affording it means back to metal and fix the surprises in store.

US Spec 525 i believe is Indiana Red metallic. As an owner of a ‘79 930, (minerva) i would love to see the sales documents/sales order/monroney sticker for the car. I like factory original cars but everyone has their own tastes. What’s the paint code inside the door sill, LA3V? I’d put back to the original color, it’s rare and unique. Regardless of your decision you’ll never be in the red with your purchase price, so do what makes you happy.

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He loves your pounding. That’s why he wears a ball gag when he posts.

I agree, if you want to keep the car and like the red paint on the vehicle and the paint is in good condition, I would not repaint it. I’m not sure how the pan replacement equates to a full glass out repaint. I would repair the pan and enjoy the car - it’s not a 20k mile car that will be “devalued” by putting miles on it.

If you want to sell it soon for “top dollar,” a change to the original color is usually advised. I prefer Indiana over Guards Red myself. Most 930’s are Guards Red, very easy to find a good one. Try to find one in Indiana Red, Arrow Blue, or my favorite, Slate Grey...

As far as paint “starting” at $30k (ending up at what, $50k?), leave that for the rare ones unless you want to be upside down quick - a poor financial decision unless you have deep pockets and/or the car is worth a great deal of money.

Thank you.

Get your tub fixed by a pro.

The end.

derrick, thinking this thru, just keep the car GR and get it back on the road and put all that time, energy, and money into getting ice green hot rod going! your car wears the red really well.

786, what state are you in? nathan and i are both in CA, and his numbers aren't off for quality work. i did a color change on my '76 after i did an all steel backdate. i did all the fab work and fitting, bought the paint, stripped the car down and took it to my paint/body guy to do JUST the body work and paint. i didn't paint the trunk or engine compartment (the car is a DD not a show car) and my cost was about $8K. that was all labor, for a nice glass out paint job, but hardly concours. even in the condition i brought the car to him in, there was a lot of work to do, these cars are old. i have more hours into tear down and putting the car back together than i care to admit. i know a bunch of guys here in CA that do 911's, and to do one right is at least $20-30K every time just to get it thru paint. if you have rust or other mods to handle, add $ accordingly...

If you don’t want to go deep and do a complete repaint you could spend a fraction and get a high quality wrap in virtually any color. Just a thought.

Good point, MountainMan. And just think, Deez's go-to ball gag is Guards Red, so there you have it!

Another vote for taking it back to the original color.

We had this same conversation at JWE while discussing the pan. The stories they have about "original paint" cars people bring to them to look over. A recent one was so twisted the owner decided to make a race car out of it.
The full repaint on mine does scare me. But the PO really hated the Indiana Red and probably only paid $20k for the car when he got it. I don't think there are any hidden surprises. Fingers crossed.
PO was pushing 70 and wanted to take the wife to Europe. So the 930 was sold.

Good way of looking at it.
#1. Yes/No. It's original or I have the original parts. Nothing is cut. The only non reversible item is the left rear torsion mount started cracking and needed the tub reinforcement plate installed during the suspension resto.

#2. Look original, Yes. Drive Original, No!

#3. Funds and energy, Yes. Time, No.


No comment... :D

Would someone let this guy back in PARF. :rolleyes: SmileWavy


Thank you all for the feedback. Thinking it through I don't have the energy to do the repaint. You know how it is; It does not seem like that much work visualizing it. But after you get going you realize you were wrong.
Yes the front pan is less than half way there. So literal around here. I was just referring to the tear down part of the project. I would tear the car down myself especially when JWE is at $170.00hr rate. I am too much of a do it yourself guy and I don't like to waste money.

So it will stay GR for now. Someday I may get bored and put it back to the original color. Maybe after a few more rock chips and door dings.

Not sure Inhave been lurking long enough for my vote to count, having said that...

I like the metallic original..it’s unique! Lots of guard reds..
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A friend did a front pan on his 911, battery tray was rotted out, for $1500, and his was done in about 2 weeks. That included the parts, and the car drives great and is straight. I was just quoted a starting price of $10k from a diff guy who would use a rack like yours is talking about. That is the “right” way to do it for sure. If the car is worth becoming a pebble beach, 100 point car that is the right way to go. If its a driver then its probably not. The math wont work out to make it worth while to do. Another shop here who builds 911 race cars for historic racing does pans and track crash damage repairs, so they get the cars straight.....and they are no wher near what the “right” way would be.

I'm in the same boat as you with the same repair. Only real difference is my car was just painted and the guy I got it from conveniently "missed" the rust when he did it. I've got most of the front end apart already and only need to remove the fuel system before I trailer it over to the body shop.

a PTS color with Indiana in the name?

how can you say no?

Indiana is the best.
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The original owner was a Dr. that lived in Indiana. I'll give you one guess why I think he chose the color when ordering. :D

As one '79 930 owner to another--put it back to original!

Leaving the world with one fewer Guards Red Porsche is a favor to all mankind (although, as somebody already mentioned, your car wears it well!).

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he sounds like a helluva guy to me!

Yo' Deez, I couldn't hear that clearly - you are either mumbling, and/or you have something obstructing yer oral communicator!

Let me suggest a few points for your consideration that have been hinted at but not fully articulated yet.

1. Repainting the car in such an unusual color will not necessarily raise the value for everyone. For some, like me, Indiana Red is a deal breaker. For that matter, so is Guards Red, but I could possibly be tempted to look closer.

2. What is the quality of the present paint job? If it is cheap (unpainted, or poorly painted, trunk and engine compartment), you might as well paint it. (Go onto number 5.)

3. Some of us can't really fully enjoy a 911 that has poor quality work, or that has an interior or exterior color that we hate. This relates to point 1 & 2. If a car had a unoriginal color that I liked, which was expertly done, I would be far more interested in it than an original color car that I hated.

4. Do you plan on keeping the car for at least 5 years? Do you enjoy the Guards Red? Would you enjoy the Indiana Red? If the answer to the first question is yes, and the answer to the last two questions is no, then the only question that really matters is the last question in this list, number 5. If you enjoy Guards Red or would enjoy Indiana Red, question number 5 also applies here.

5. Paint work is labor intensive, and it always reflects the cost. Is the cost of a good paint job a stretch, or do you have a pile of money that you need to spend?

No one can answer these questions for you, so other's answers are not really helpful here. You might want to have the tub professionally repaired and sell it, so you can start with something more to your liking.

I did my tub a la carte on my ‘74 targa pictured previously in the post. Totally and easily doable just have to be careful and takes forever.

2 weeks is about right. Sounds like the guy charged about $10 per hour plus parts and materials = $1500.

All of this Guards Red hate gives me a warm fuzzy! I used to hate GR but now I love it, and want a 911 in that color. Sounds like I'll be able to look forward to a "GR discount" when I shop for one.

On the color change question...you're considering going from one color that's "ok, not great" to another color that's "ok, not great", merely because you want it to be a unique (almost) color. That seems unwise to me. If you want it to be unique, then at least go with a new color that you LOVE, and that the market will love when you go to sell it. Very little value will be added by returning it to its original color. Most of the car's paint value was lost when the original factory paint was sacrificed. At this point, it will always be a repaint, and for that reason the only thing that will matter from now on is what you and prospective buyers will think of whatever the chosen color is.

I say, either leave it as is and save the money, or paint it a color you LOVE. Otherwise, you'll still be dissatisfied with it even after spending all the dough to make it Indiana Red Metallic.

I have to believe that the people who would (might) assign value for it BEING the original color, would also detract value for its having been resprayed twice, front pan replaced, 90k miles...

You bought it cheap because it was non-original. Why put all that savings back into the car to end up with something you're not thrilled about? I'd either keep it the GR or find a color you love.

I got quoted $3K to strip / paint just a hood by Stewart’s in Dallas ( price seemed that stupidly high that I just bought another hood From this site) ......
.who would you recommend in Tx In theoretically the $5K to $8K range for a respray ?