Should I change the color back?
 

I purchased my car knowing the prior owner changed the color. It was one of the reasons I was able to buy it for $45k less than the next car for sale. It basically allowed me to actually get a 930.
I really didn’t care at the time and still don’t to the point it’s a difficult decision.

While rebuilding the suspension I found a battery has leaked and destroyed the lower pan at the suspension mount area. The mounting nuts themselves were ok. So I cut out all the rust and shaped a few pieces of sheet metal to weld in and patch temporarily. Just a basic support repair. I did not want to do the front pan myself (No Cellett in my garage)and have been on the waiting list at Jerry Woods.

My spot in the shop is coming soon and I took the car down last week for them to inspect. The level of disassembly needed to change the pan puts me half way to a glass out repaint. So now I am considering disassembling the car and having my friend work on all the panels while the tub is out. Then he can finish everything when JWE is done with the tub. And Mario is not a Porsche guy but he has several National Wins and at least one SEMA vehicle a year in his shop. And he’s near half the hourly rate of the Porsche shops.

The reasons I don’t want to change it are:
Cost
The current paint is nice
The PTS Indiana Metallic Red is not a great color. It’s ok.
Will I not like the color and regret it??

The reasons for changing are:
Even though Guards Red came out in 73 I feel like it’s a 1986 color. It doesn’t look like a 1979 car to me.
I can only find one other 930 painted in a PTS 924 color. It will probably be the only 930 I or anyone will see in this red.

We all like special things and putting this car back to the so,so red will make it dang near one of one.

Is that worth it???

Now

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The only other 930 I can find in Indiana Metallic Red.

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Here is a 924 with the color. The color was not used a lot on 924’s either.

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I love that color and have seen it on a couple SCs, but never a 930. I'd do it.

If you’re not smitten with the original color and as I doubt a repaint in the original color will restore the lost value, there’s no reason to change the color back.



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I agree, I bet it increases the value beyond the cost to do it...

I would keep it the color you really like. I have had 930s in both of those colors. I liked the Indiana red much more.You got the car so cheap that it would make up the difference in the end when and if you ever sell it. In the mean time enjoy and love it the way you want. Good luck!

Probably wouldn't change the color.

Guards looks much nicer.

IMO, if you’re looking at a glass out respray, make it the color you really want. I also doubt a repaint to the original color will restore the lost value. Look through Porsche’s back catalog and find your favorite color.

Any pictures of the Indiana Red car?

I can’t say that I hate the color because I have never seen it with my own eyes.

I relate to that color as being period correct because my Quatermidget back then was maroon. My moms Lincoln was silver with maroon vinyl top and interior. Dark reds were in.


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If you’re going to paint it I would absolutely take that opportunity to 1)add a huge amount of value back to your car 2)end up with a cooler/way rarer color than Guards Red.
What do suppose the front pan and proper complete respray will set you back?

Adding a “huge amount” of value is pure conjecture, I find that highly doubtful.

Respray is $5-8k in Texas. Some charge more but that is the range I have heard most often.

No on India Red personally. I'd stick with Gaurds Red or I would pick a rad 70's color like one of the unique blues, yellows or grays. Or just pick your dream color. Life is short. I would rather drive the car/color of my dreams. It's already been re-sprayed. Nothing to lose imho.

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Absolutely not pure conjecture. It’s fact that a car in its original color is worth more than a non-original color. The tough part is he will have to spend a lot a lot of money to add that value back. It will likely cost more than it will add but that’s why I said if you are going to paint it anyways. A proper respray is well over $10k proper front pan is over $5k, curious what kind of quotes he’s prepared for.

It’s not India Red it’s Indiana Red Metallic.

Man I would be so excited to be the “custodian” to restore this thing back to it’s original color. I wouldn’t bother doing it though unless you are going to do it properly.

As you said a car in its original color...which this is not. It’s already been resprayed so respraying again to the unsightly original color will not add a ‘huge amount’ of value back imo.

Also, why ask what the costs are then state elevated costs one post later? Very odd. If he’s in Texas (as his location states) he can get the work done for less than $15k. If OP needs shop suggestions please PM me and I’ll tell you exactly who to go to.

One other thing, go look on BaT and tell me cars need to be their original color to add value. What really matters is the quality and execution of the build. The type of collector who wants originality for originality’s sake is a dying breed. Nowadays, folks care more about quality and execution, these are old cars and many require a fair amount of restorative work. I’d rather buy a car in a pleasant color that has been well built than a car in an unappealing original color that has been resprayed multiple times, just my opinion.

Every other 911 or 930 is Guards Red. Original color would make the car quite unique, and not like every other car at a Porsche cars and coffee or car show.

If it’s stripped and re-sprayed properly you don’t say it’s been painted 4 times you simply state it’s been properly resprayed. Indiana Red Metallic is not an unsightly color, it’s a great color. I am talking apples you are talking oranges. Original cars are worth most with good condition original paint, if it’s not original paint then a proper respray in the original color is the next closest thing. People who appreciate original cars is not a dying breed lol. Where did you get that? BAT again apples and oranges. Just because hotrod 911’s are selling like hot cakes right now doesn’t mean you go out and paint a stock 911 Mexico Blue and it adds value. I asked how much because I want to know what Jerry Woods specifically charges. I’m sorry to say but those paint jobs in Texas you refer to I assure you will not be adding any value as that’s not enough money to cover the hours it takes to do properly.

This. If the car is otherwise original, then the original color will add value. And I’ll add that I wouldn’t use BaT as a measuring stick for collector car values or the worth of originality.

I agree with almost everything you said except that demographics does have a role in the cost of a paint job or mechanical service. I had a buddy in Kansas that used to have his Ferrari's serviced at a place that charged $75.00 an hour back in 2014. Same can be said for many other services too.

Should I change the color back?
 

I’ll be so far in the red either way the value part is irrelevant. The pan alone will take about three (or more) weeks at $170.00hr plus parts. There is no other color that I would waste additional money changing it to.

If I choose to spend the money it would only be to put the car back to it’s special ordered color. It’s an original matching 930 with original interior that is in pretty good condition.

At least there is positive feedback from those that have seen the color in person.
I guess ultimately its still my burden to figure out. I appreciate all the feedback


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I hear you but let’s say a proper strip and respray is 400-500 hours on average. At what rate would someone have to work to be able to do it for $8000-10,000? $20 or under per hour!! Doesn’t add up. Don’t forget proper materials will run well over $1000

My two cents. Paint it in your favourite Porsche colour. I would never buy a car in a colour I don't like. Its to enjoy. It won't devalue it, its not a million dollar car. Im doing my 68 911 in Chalk at the moment. Its Meduim Ivory from the factory which is nice but I want a Grey one.
Lyndon

tough call, derrick, as you got in at a good price and your car is the ultimate 930 in that it is really nice, yet built as a driver that is to be enjoyed and driven. i'm not a guards red fan (my green car was GR when i bought it), but your car looks great in that color.

that said, if the indiana metallic red really floats your boat, do it. your car will be unique and original. but knowing you and your intentions for the car, i'd go to the '79 color charts and see if there was something there that you can't live without, including the PTS colors. why not build your dream 930? you're most of the way there already.

it's just a car, build the one you want to drive...

In my life several times I wish I left a car alone and bought another to be molested. This might be one of those times. This car properly restored is a gem. If you want to build a hotrod 930 in your favorite color there are much better and cheaper starting points.

You say that this is a paint to sample car? If that's the case, there will be no documentation or paint codes attached to the car to reflect the colour. I believe the factory used the same paint code for all PTS cars, regardless of the colour. Sorry, but I don't recall what that code is.

So...

- Your car isn't original paint. A proper respray in the original colour will carry far more value than a guards red colour change.

- Any colour will be acceptable for a PTS code. But that comes down to how far you plan to go. Glass out? Engine out? All the goodies in the trunk out? Interior out? If you don't eliminate all traces of the original paint, then it's just a respray in some incorrect colour. I don't get the sense you want to go those lengths, so a quality respray in the original colour will likely retain the most value.

It's a tough call for sure. I don't like the Indiana Red - makes me think of an early 80s Dodge minivan, Chrysler Lebaron or 4 cylinder Mustang. But it's the correct colour of your 930 so it has a lot going for it. But I'm also not a fan of Guards red resprays, either, except in some exceptional circumstances. However, if it's truly a PTS car, you may have other options that won't make you feel like you're doing a disservice to the car or its value. Maybe paint in the original colour, sell it and get one that's less nice and do it the way you want and not worry about its value.

I feel your pain. Good luck whichever way you go.

Should I change the color back?
 

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Correct. The COA says 99 Paint to sample.
I only know the original color because I have the order form where he selected the color and options. I even have a copy of the deposit check and letter from Porsche stating the price of the car was to increase due to 79 being the last of the 930’s for US. The original owner kept everything.

Marc I get what you are saying. I have modified this car. I love driving it the way it is now. But I have also restored and boxed every stock part I have replaced with a performance part. I have even tracked down original missing parts just to have them. I may or may not use them. But I want to have the parts available.
That being said I’m not painting it Leaf Green. [emoji16]


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Should I change the color back?
 

That’s the biggest reason I want to change it back. It would be unique.
I wish I could see a car with this color in person.
Changing to a color I haven’t seen is like buying clothes on the internet. Who does that...


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Have you poked around in and around the car to try and find traces of the original color? Often times you can find a big enough unmolested area to go off of

Let's see.... Guards Red, the classic desirable color or Maroon metallic (?!?!)
wow not much of a choice there.....
also, not seeing how a double repaint would add value.... regardless if bare metal each time or not

I think after all that info, if it were me, I'd get rid of all the Guards Red and respray in the original colour. I don't like that colour, but that would be what I'd do. With all the documentation and originality (other than the colour) it looks like a good candidate to restore to original.

Unless it's got huge miles. Which wont affect the driveability, but people that are concerned about things like originality and colour also like low miles. High mileage might affect collector value and then maybe you can paint it whatever your heart desires.

When stripped down to the metal it’s a “bare metal repaint” not a “double repaint”. For all we know it has 4 paintjobs on it currently

I like the idea of restoring a car to her original color. Keep in mind my Rat Rod is the car I am thinking of, and it was Gemini Blue....not a bad color. I like your cars orginaial color too. Not as catchy as guards red, but very classic and nice color. That said, to really do it right is well over $10k as I understand it.

How many miles are on it? If its a driver, and modified so you enjoy it more I would say leave it for now. If its really low miles, or you want to restore it back to all stock and rarely drive it....maybe. But the money for a proper full take down to primer, and repaint “as if factory” could be spent on a lot of other work to get everything else exactly correct first.

To me, drive is and enjoy it.

400-500 hours? Lol, seriously? I’m not a bodywork expert but that sounds excessive, I’m talking about professionals that do this for a living, not a garage project. Where are you getting this number? By your estimate, a body shop working 8 hours a day on a single car would take around 60 days to finish, meaning they would only complete 6 cars a year...

I’ve personally spoken to several shops in my state to gauge the cost for this and all were in the same ballpark. If you seriously are interested PM me and I’ll send you their contact info. Seems strange several actual shops would quote me one price range and a guy on the internet would more than double it. 400-500 hours x $50/hour would be $20,000-25,000.

Best advice in here.

Agreed. I had a glass out/down to bare metal/engine out re-paint. No way 400-500 hrs. Though not cheap - the cost was about $15K.

Jason

Thanks Jason for the real world perspective. $15k, although not cheap, certainly seems reasonable.

..nothing wrong with Mexico Blue...http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...leys/kumar.gif....LOL

I'm still scratching my head in an attempt to figure out how replacing the front suspension pan would be half way towards a glass out total paint job? Have you actually looked around to see what is involved in this particular metal repair job, or are you just taking someone's word for it?

It wouldn’t, sounds like either there are more issues than are being disclosed or OP is being taken for a ride.

Front pan is $280, labor wouldn’t come close to what half a full respray costs.
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