Clubsport wheel questions thread

[donbecker1234]

Likely 930 purchase means I'd like to nail down details on swapping out the stock steering wheel.

I'm interested in the clubsport but have a few questions:

1. Is there any source for a new clubsport wheel where the bottom spoke has no seam?

2. Inset/sunken emblem: I see some wheels where the Porsche emblem is in the center, but I'd like to have it sunken flush. Has anyone done this before? I have a large press but I'm thinking that might tear the leather, so thinking I could recover it, and press the sunken shape in before the leather is attached?

3. Are there different choices / options on how I'd mount a clubsport wheel to a 930?

Thanks in advance.

[pc100porsche]

Bump .... as also interested in brains trust responses

[WPOZZZ]

1. I believe all the new ones have the seam on the bottom spoke. I'm guessing if that is what you want, you will need to get a used or possibly NOS wheel.

2. Not really sure you can do that. The older horn pad was made of metal, so that may be possible. The later horn pads, might be plastic. I can't remember, but have to check my other wheels.

3. To mount it to your Porsche, you have 2 choice: get a 3 bolt Atiwe/Formel hub, or get an adapter.

[Geronimo '74]

I thought all OEM 930S wheels had a seam at the bottom spoke.
Aftermarket wheels do not.

[uwanna]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

I thought all OEM 930S wheels had a seam at the bottom spoke.
Aftermarket wheels do not.

Geronimo, you are absolutely correct, the "real" Club Sport 930S wheel indeed has
the lower spoke seam. The seam is there because the Club Sport wheel uses the
best (i.e. most expensive) Atiwe wheel and that wheel uses a one piece leather
cover and that makes a center seam necessary. The cheaper Atiwe 930S
lookalikes cover the spokes with "glue on" individual pieces of leather. Those wheels
are genuine Atiwe wheels just cheaper versions.

If you look at a "no seam" wheel closely you will see where the glued on spoke pieces meet the main cover. Also, the "real" 930S has the Porsche original parts "triangle" stamped into the frame. The horn button is also different in that it has no metal Porsche crest on it, but instead has the crest embossed into the leather.

Check this old for sale thread. It shows what a genuine Club Sport 930S
looks like. Note the one piece cover (no glue on leather on the spokes) and the embossed
Porsche crest. 930s steering wheel/hub new $475

EDIT: Check out this for sale thread for a "lookalike" 930S wheel and you will see the stark difference
between the genuine wheel above and the one shown here. FS: 930 Steering Wheel Typ Atwie

[donbecker1234]

A related question, looking at the hub for sale by our host:

https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/1004981619X1.htm?pn=100-498-161-9X1&bt=Y&fs=0&SVSVSI=911M

It says: "Note: Does not include Signal Cancel Pin."

Do you reuse the signal cancel pin from the existing wheel assembly, or is this a separate part that needs to be purchased?

[Geronimo '74]

Don,

Cancel rings are generally easy to remove and installed on the new hub.
This was the case when I installed my Prototipo, not 100% sure about your particular case, but chances are it will.
Does Pelican sell the cancel rings seperately?
You can always ask customer support as well, they are very helpfull.

[donbecker1234]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

Don,

Cancel rings are generally easy to remove and installed on the new hub.
This was the case when I installed my Prototipo, not 100% sure about your particular case, but chances are it will.
Does Pelican sell the cancel rings seperately?
You can always ask customer support as well, they are very helpfull.

Thanks for the reply, the product page referred to a "signal cancel pin" and I've seen what looked like a pin sticking out of pictures of hubs. Is that a typo or a different part?

[Geronimo '74]

It's the black plastic ring with the tab sticking out. (this one is a 914 wheel)
As you can see, it is removed by unscrewing the screws.

[Geronimo '74]

This is your hub without the ring.

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by donbecker1234

A related question, looking at the hub for sale by our host:

https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/1004981619X1.htm?pn=100-498-161-9X1&bt=Y&fs=0&SVSVSI=911M

It says: "Note: Does not include Signal Cancel Pin."

Do you reuse the signal cancel pin from the existing wheel assembly, or is this a separate part that needs to be purchased?

It is your choice. You can reuse your original cancel ring, or order a new one for the wheel. IIRC a new ring is about $150. You might also think about getting a hub spacer as the wheel is rather close to your dashboard.

[donbecker1234]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

It is your choice. You can reuse your original cancel ring, or order a new one for the wheel. IIRC a new ring is about $150. You might also think about getting a hub spacer as the wheel is rather close to your dashboard.

Thanks, the Pelican howto shows someone making a spacer from aluminum so I'm going to try that first.

To be clear, the pin is a separate part aside from the cancel ring?

I suspect the wiper switch may be going out, so I'm contemplating replacing both it and the turn signal switch while I have the steering wheel off.

[Geronimo '74]

The pin you speak of is the tab on the cancelring, no?
It is a single piece, tab and ring.

Good tip on the spacer!

[Geronimo '74]

Like this

[donbecker1234]

I *think* that's what Pelican refers to on their page as the 'pin'.

[Geronimo '74]

Ok, talking about the same thing.
It's not a seperate item.

I didn't realize it was that expensive, wow, 150$.

[WPOZZZ]

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74

Ok, talking about the same thing.
It's not a seperate item.

I didn't realize it was that expensive, wow, 150$.

Sierra Madre had it for $117, but they are out of stock. Ahh, the Porsche tax.

[Geronimo '74]

I’d use the one you have.

[spuggy]

Originally Posted by donbecker1234

1. Is there any source for a new clubsport wheel where the bottom spoke has no seam?

If you google "968 clubsport interior", you'll find that even back in the day, these wheels came from the factory both with and without that fugly seam. AFAIK, that was the only car the factory ever fitted the wheel to standard (the 911 CS had a 4-spoke, and there were many different wheels fitted to 930S, but almost never the Aitwe).

New would be a stretch; all the new ones tend to have the seam now. When I first used to drool over the photo here, they didn't. Aitwe changed the way they made them.

I have an old wheel, which I find suits the interior of my 250K mile, 40 year old car much better than a new one in any case.

Some people bang on about them being "different" or somehow "better". It's an Aitwe wheel, and the same typ 33 model has been around since the factory first fitted them to the ClubSport (and they were also sold as the "formel" or "Indianapolis" wheel to fit just about every "sporty" car in Europe around the same time - also a Ford OEM option on Cosworth turbos and RS models).

Wayne said once that any leather variations (eg bumpy, smooth, grain size etc) were just batch/manufacturing differences.

Originally Posted by donbecker1234

2. Inset/sunken emblem: I see some wheels where the Porsche emblem is in the center, but I'd like to have it sunken flush. Has anyone done this before? I have a large press but I'm thinking that might tear the leather, so thinking I could recover it, and press the sunken shape in before the leather is attached?

On the 930S/Special Wishes thread on the turbo forum, there's a number of photos of original 930S cars (none of which, BTW, originally came with the ClubSport wheel that Marketing have since dubbed the "930S" wheel, they most often seemed to come with Involante wheels). One of the shots was a 4-spoke wheel, with a Porsche crest inlaid into the (right side) of the pad, like you're describing.

But, Special Wishes aside, if the horn pad has a metal crest, it's not factory; it's an Aitwe with a badge - usually a 356 deco or door pull badge - someone stuck on/through the pad.

Horn pads, screw kits, horn ring kit, horn repair kit (the plastic snap-in ring for the pad), hub etc are all available separately. FVD carry most of this. So buy a horn pad and a badge and experiment, if you want.

The KBA70111 wheels Aitwe supplied Porsche (which have the magic triangle P mark) have an embossed horn pad. These also listed in PET (in different colors, yet), as replacements for the items fitted to the 968 ClubSport. Don't know if anyone ever managed to get one.

All the 911 ClubSports I've seen photos of had the 4 spoke, not the Aitwe.

But unless it got taken off a 968, then it's an aftermarket wheel. Either supplied by Aitwe to Porsche and sold via Techquipment (aka Porsche), or straight from Aitwe to any one of a myriad of resellers.

Originally Posted by donbecker1234

3. Are there different choices / options on how I'd mount a clubsport wheel to a 930?

Usually comes with an Aitwe hub (also available separately, in various spline configurations - eg early 911, 944/928/968), there's also an eccentric extender option (gives more space under the wheel for your knees, brings it closer to the driver, makes wheel rotation off-center)

In actual fact, I thought my Momo was a slightly better wheel on that grounds that it's just slightly smaller diameter and so interferes less with visibility of the (rotated) instruments, as the circumferences lines up better with the "empty" areas and you didn't have to look around/over it. But I do prefer the look of the plain Aitwe wheel, and find the narrower padding/smooth covering more to my preference.