What is difference between Euro and US 911 SC ?

[levonfarra]

What are the pros and cons of buying a Euro version of a SC instead of the US?
I know that the Euro has a bit more HP, but besides that I don't know much more about the Euros.

Are parts harder to find and more expensive or the same?

Anything else that I should be aware of before buying one?

Thank you very much,

Levon

[Johnb911]

I have a ROW car.

Parts are no issue in my opinion.

There are cosmetic differences. I don't know about the performance diffs.

[Danny_Ocean]

Is "ROW" and "Euro version" the same thing?

My car is "ROW", but I don't believe it is "Euro"...

(If ROW = Euro, then that'll explain why I consistently smoke my buddies '78)










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[WPOZZZ]

RoW = Rest of the World

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

RoW = Rest of the World

I realize that. But I'm not 100% sure that a "ROW" car is the same as a "Euro model"....I recall researching this (here) when I initially purchased my car and determined it was "ROW", but not "Euro". I've also read that Euro cars (for whatever reason) sell for a premium over "non-Euro" models.

Err...but I could be wrong...: Euro VS. Reg SC

[WPOZZZ]

1 version was made for the US and another version was made for the Rest of the World. So it is not necessarily a Euro spec car, but most people interchange RoW with Euro.

As for value, some say the RoW cars are worth less becaue the odometer could have been tampered with and typically has less equipment. Others think the Row is worth more as the motors typically have more hp and have other options not found on US cars.

[Bill Verburg]

It depends on the year but there have been specific versions for
US/Canada almost always the same but there have been years where there are some very minor differences

California

Sweden

Switz.

Aus

GB

Japan

FRG w/ cat

FRG w/o cat

most of the time other RoW conforms to one off the FRG versions

[zotman72]

It you want to race in the most competitive stock PCA class, this would be your car. An Euro SC driveline is the hot ticket in now what is class E. An euro SC engine is a rare bird in the states (930/10) YMMV

[stevemfr]

Originally Posted by Johnb911

I have a ROW car.

Parts are no issue in my opinion.

There are cosmetic differences. I don't know about the performance diffs.

Actually, aside from the color of the taillight lenses, indicators in the fr fenders, and the lack of side marker lights in the front, there are no cosmetic differences between a Euro SC and a US SC.

I keep reading where people note that the Euro cars have 'small bumpers'. Not true - at least no smaller or larger than the US versions. The difference is that the bumper shock required in the US was replaced with a crush tube for all the countries w/o silly insurance lobbies.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by stevemfr

Actually, aside from the color of the taillight lenses, indicators in the fr fenders, and the lack of side marker lights in the front, there are no cosmetic differences between a Euro SC and a US SC.

I keep reading where people note that the Euro cars have 'small bumpers'. Not true - at least no smaller or larger than the US versions. The difference is that the bumper shock required in the US was replaced with a crush tube for all the countries w/o silly insurance lobbies.

Euros have smaller "bumperettes," not smaller bumpers. I also believe Euros have rear fog lights (or some kind of clear light in the back) and Euro headlamps instead of sugar scoops.

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by stevemfr

Actually, aside from the color of the taillight lenses, indicators in the fr fenders, and the lack of side marker lights in the front, there are no cosmetic differences between a Euro SC and a US SC.

I keep reading where people note that the Euro cars have 'small bumpers'. Not true - at least no smaller or larger than the US versions. The difference is that the bumper shock required in the US was replaced with a crush tube for all the countries w/o silly insurance lobbies.

Again depending on the year there are numerous differences

most RoW models do have smaller lighter bumper pads and lighter bumper struts, other difference range from glass, to dash warning lights, to door beams, to engines, to trans, to lighting etc.

You need to specify a year to discuss the differences

[arrivederci]

Originally Posted by stevemfr

Actually, aside from the color of the taillight lenses, indicators in the fr fenders, and the lack of side marker lights in the front, there are no cosmetic differences between a Euro SC and a US SC.

I keep reading where people note that the Euro cars have 'small bumpers'. Not true - at least no smaller or larger than the US versions. The difference is that the bumper shock required in the US was replaced with a crush tube for all the countries w/o silly insurance lobbies.

The rear bumperettes are smaller on the euro cars. There are a number of pictures in the following thread that should make the differences clear.

show me hot impact bumper 911s...

[Yorkie]

Where on the engine do you find the "930/10" number?
Kevin

[911s55]

HP difference didn't occur until 80', 188 Euro/180 US, 81' 204 Euro/180 US
Smaller rear bumperettes on Euro ala 74'
Side marker lights on front fenders

1980 US cars PW, AC standard, 85 mph speedo until 83 MY

Quite a few other small differences and country specific models, radios, anti sway upgrades, UK SC Sport, US Weissach etc.

There are many books on the subject and info here in the forums.

If I were looking and I do, the Euro appeals to me because of it's lack of American creature comforts and DOT regulations, making it a cleaner package.

As "they" say YMMV

David

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ

So it is not necessarily a Euro spec car, but most people interchange RoW with Euro.

So, I'm not crazy...there is a "Euro spec" car. That's what I was referring to. Is the original poster inquiring as to a ROW or Euro spec vehicle?

[levonfarra]

I am refering to a 81 SC and my main concern is parts cost and availability. Any disadvantages to owning a Euro?

thanks,

Levon

[Bill Verburg]

Originally Posted by levonfarra

I am refering to a 81 SC and my main concern is parts cost and availability. Any disadvantages to owning a Euro?

thanks,

Levon

In MY81 there were 3 different SC engines
930/10 FRG aka RoW, 9.8cr, 204hp@5900, max revs 6800/ign governed, 98RON
930/16 US/Cdn 9.3cr, 180hp@5500, max revs 6500/fuel pump governed, 91RON
930/17 Japan, 9.3cr, 180hp@5500, max revs 6500/fuel pump governed, 91RON

RoW used 915/62
US/Cdn//J used 915/63 w/ slightly taller 5

RoW DIN wt 1160kg
US/Cdn//J DIN wt1250

RoW top 235kph
US/Cdn//J top225kph

RoW 0-100kph 6.8s
US/Cdn//J 0-100kph 7.0s

3 different headlight specs
2 different stop, turn, backup, plate & sidemarker specs

[911s55]

Originally Posted by levonfarra

I am refering to a 81 SC and my main concern is parts cost and availability. Any disadvantages to owning a Euro?

thanks,

Levon

Only if your state has smog regulations, and the steering wheel is on the right!

David

[Joe Bob]

MY euro SC had a higher hp motor, came with an LSD and was Federalized by the owner who bought it new and imported when transferred back to the States.

I got big bucks for the engine when I sold it after the 3.6 install.

[911quest]

Dont forget the the Euro had the better front oil cooler instead of the trombone style that the US spec cars got....