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Kevin Stewart 10-25-2020 05:03 PM

How does rwb get the track width
 
Hi guys how does rwb get his track width there’s no way it’s by wheel offset alone thanks in advance. Kevin

winders 10-25-2020 05:15 PM

His web site lists a "wheel adapter". So I would guess it is a combination of wheel offset and the adapter. There is no reason you couldn't do it all with offset.

I bet my race car has just as wide a rear track and I use 930 trailing arms and wheel offset.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603674911.jpg

Garen 10-26-2020 11:48 AM

I think you should post more pictures of your car... to better appreciate the wheels and offset of course!

:D

winders 10-26-2020 11:56 AM

Like this:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603742184.jpg

Garen 10-26-2020 12:03 PM

Yeah... Kinda like that.

winders 10-26-2020 12:03 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603742515.jpg

Garen 10-26-2020 12:12 PM

NICE.

Really dig the re-profiled wheel opening height on the rear. Most loose the concept that when you really widen the flares on a 911 at the same slope as the factory fender, you end up covering the top of the tire too much. Yours is spot-on. That's the PRC-spec bodywork, right?

winders 10-26-2020 12:27 PM

No, this is the widest Getty 993 wide body kit which has the 993 Front Fenders +2” and the 993 Quarter Panels +3”. The flares are the GT2 Fender Flare Set. The flare set is what re-profiles the rear wheel opening. The front opening is reptiles some too...but not as much.

A lot of cars in the PRC ran this bodywork...most without the GT2 Fender Flare Set.

My car is firmly a PCA GT3R car now as the PRC no longer exists.

Garen 10-26-2020 12:33 PM

Cool. Looks great.

Bummer about PRC, it sounded like a cool series. I remember Rich Walton telling me all about it when it was a new concept back in the day.

Kevin Stewart 10-26-2020 05:31 PM

Well I can’t compete with that cool car but here’s my sc all steel 3.6 Hotrod. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603762291.jpg

Cheshire Cat 10-26-2020 06:24 PM

Mostly by wheel offset. I`ve seen two of his builds live and none were using spacers.
I`m using pretty aggressive setup myself with 10 and 12 inches wide with turbo size fenders.
Kevin, no offense but that bottom pic is photoshopped :)
p.s. a big fan of Scott`s (aka winders) car!

Kevin Stewart 10-26-2020 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 11077801)
Mostly by wheel offset. I`ve seen two of his builds live and none were using spacers.
I`m using pretty aggressive setup myself with 10 and 12 inches wide with turbo size fenders.
Kevin, no offense but that bottom pic is photoshopped :)
p.s. a big fan of Scott`s (aka winders) car!

Yea I know it’s photoshopped the top picture is my current car the bottom is the wheels I’m gonna put on. I can’t stand the 265/35/18 gonna go bigger and can’t wait to get the spacers off, I think I’m going to build a set of lowers and widen them by 52mm so I can get the 964 rsr look.

Cheshire Cat 10-26-2020 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Stewart (Post 11077855)
Yea I know it’s photoshopped the top picture is my current car the bottom is the wheels I’m gonna put on. I can’t stand the 265/35/18 gonna go bigger and can’t wait to get the spacers off, I think I’m going to build a set of lowers and widen them by 52mm so I can get the 964 rsr look.

knowing your widths and offsets along with tyre sizes this might help you to get the idea of how much you wider you can go
https://www.willtheyfit.com/

I think on stock turbo size my setup is the limit, 12x18 at the back with -21 offset, can`t go wider (meater) than 295/30 (pretty stretched). Mor functional 305+ could get in with probs 11 inches wide and a bit less offset.

Kevin Stewart 10-26-2020 08:20 PM

Cheshire Cat I think I am going to go 18x12 zeromm offset on rear and 18x8.5 52mm offset with widened lower control arms front. I just would like more highway gear without changing the gear and the 265 just look to small. Do you know what tire sizes RWB runs. Thanks for all the help much appreciate it, Kevin

Kevin Stewart 10-26-2020 08:23 PM

Cheshire Cat wait your running a negative 21mm on rear with 18x12s? Please tell more what chassis year and rear fenders, pictures?? Thanks again.

Cheshire Cat 10-26-2020 08:47 PM

haha, 1982 SC with former slant nose conversion to 930s, so, I believe turbo fenders. Not sure if it`s bare stock suspension but I`d guess it is. Right now - turbo front fenders turbo rear ones
10x18 and 12x18 with -11 (negative 11) and -23 (negative 23) offsets
tyres are stretched and camber is negative (as much as it could be achieved with original suspension, so not crazy negative)
https://a.d-cd.net/21f134es-960.jpg
https://a.d-cd.net/c158c76s-960.jpg
https://a.d-cd.net/7f58c76s-960.jpg
https://a.d-cd.net/b0909b6s-960.jpg

rear left fender rubs under acceleration and a bit closer to the tyre than the right side, my guessing is that it`s not perfectly matched side to side
and yep, she`s converted once again, by me this time

Kevin Stewart 10-26-2020 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat (Post 11077896)
haha, 1982 SC with former slant nose conversion to 930s, so, I believe turbo fenders. Not sure if it`s bare stock suspension but I`d guess it is. Right now - turbo front fenders turbo rear ones
10x18 and 12x18 with -11 (negative 11) and -23 (negative 23) offsets
tyres are stretched and camber is negative (as much as it could be achieved with original suspension, so not crazy negative)
https://a.d-cd.net/21f134es-960.jpg
https://a.d-cd.net/c158c76s-960.jpg
https://a.d-cd.net/7f58c76s-960.jpg
https://a.d-cd.net/b0909b6s-960.jpg

rear left fender rubs under acceleration and a bit closer to the tyre than the right side, my guessing is that it`s not perfectly matched side to side
and yep, she`s converted once again, by me this time

Awesome what size tires my car is a 82 sc converted by me. Wow you car rocks what wheels

Cheshire Cat 10-26-2020 09:15 PM

Thanks Kevin, the tyres are 225\40 and 295\35 (yep, 295\30 is wrong)

Mahler9th 10-26-2020 10:12 PM

What track width do the RWB 993-like bodied cars usually have? Front? Rear?

Here is another Norcal car with the Getty Design bodywork like Winders':

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603778532.JPG

That car is a '75. Right now with a warmed over 3.6 and a 930 transmission. Probably under 2000 pounds. I think it is still for sale in the Sacramento area.

And here is a pic of the ass end of one (mine) that has the same bodywork but without the GT2 flares:


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603778675.JPG

Also a '75 with a 3.6. This one weighs about 1900 pounds and can be driven to the grocery store.

We have had quite a few cars with this Getty Design bodywork built in our area for racing purposes. All but a few have run 16 inch wheels for track and racing work. Most are at or near retirement from racing.

Some of these cars have widened the front track with the excellent ERP 935-style control arms (e.g., Winders' and mine).

gumba 10-27-2020 04:40 AM

You can get there with the offset, and no spacers. To me, the limitation is tire width. the rwb rims are wider than the tires. I have a set of old CCW 9 & 10.5x17's with 235/40/17's and 275/40/17's were the rim is wider than the tire.
I built a pair of CCW 11x17's with 5.5" backspacing that was flush with my DP rear fenders, which are an 1" wider than stock turbo fenders. Also had a pair of real Campagnolo 12x15's with 5.0" offset which protruded past the fender lip.
Here's a shot with 13x15 Fuchs w/335/35/15 TB's.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603802398.jpg

RarlyL8 10-27-2020 05:49 AM

Offset is a big part of how RWB sticks the wheels out so far. Looks like spacers are also used. Here are some of our promo pictures from RWB Thailand:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603806355.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603806466.png

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603806491.png

10zz964 10-27-2020 06:14 AM

wheel off-set and spacer, depend on the look you going after or the wheel off-set.
my car base on 964 turbo and have 15mm spacer in the rear.

RarlyL8 10-27-2020 06:54 AM

By moving the rear fender oil lines down and shaving the wheel alignment bolts flush with the nuts I was able to fit a set of ultra wide custom 17" Fuchs under OE 930 rear flairs. You have 13.5" of total space available, these wheels measure 13.25" outer bead to outer bead. Using 315/35 tires allowed the sidewalls to just barely extend beyond the bead. It is as tight as I could go and not have any rubbing under any circumstances.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603807484.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603807484.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603807484.JPG

kent olsen 10-27-2020 09:34 AM

Besides a race car where you expect to replace items from racing. I've always heard that much offset is hard on the wheel bearings. I like the look much better than the current trend with the offset going the other way. However anyone have any experience regarding the load on the wheel bearings?

Kevin Stewart 10-28-2020 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RarlyL8 (Post 11078234)
By moving the rear fender oil lines down and shaving the wheel alignment bolts flush with the nuts I was able to fit a set of ultra wide custom 17" Fuchs under OE 930 rear flairs. You have 13.5" of total space available, these wheels measure 13.25" outer bead to outer bead. Using 315/35 tires allowed the sidewalls to just barely extend beyond the bead. It is as tight as I could go and not have any rubbing under any circumstances.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603807484.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603807484.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1603807484.JPG

Thank you great info, Kevin


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