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911_rs74 03-20-2021 07:12 AM

Mysterious Tachometer
 
Hello everyone,

It's my first post so thank you all for the advices and informations we can find on
pelican.
I have a question about my tach, I did a lot of research but I know there's people with
big Porsche knowledge here, so better ask.
My car is a 2.7 from December 73, one of the first 2.7 out from the factory.
All my gauges are stamped 07.73 so it seems that they used existing models maybe and my tach is an early style with black center :confused: never seen a tach like that and I don't think it was open. I'm the third owner.

Have you ever seen something like that ?

Thanks

RC

https://i.ibb.co/NZKrFsB/IMG-9311.jpg

jbell959 03-20-2021 07:53 AM

Interesting... Never seen one like that before. Porsche is known for using up the old stock in transition years but that wouldn't really explain this one. It's the correct tach for a 2.7 with the high-beam indicator up top but it has the early needle with the silver button painted black. If it were a left over 73 tach the high-beam indicator would be at the bottom.

My guess is that it was opened up at some point and the needle what replaced, but nothing surprises me anymore. If it was done at a shop with the VDO tool to crimp on a new bezel you wouldn't be able to tell if it had been opened.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has seen another one like this.

304065 03-20-2021 07:54 AM

Cant' tell anything without seeing the back of it.

jbell959 03-20-2021 07:57 AM

Also, what is the part number printed on the upper lip of the face?

proporsche 03-20-2021 08:25 AM

RC.go to the French forum if you are not already member and ask for Gedeon25 he is an expert in France for gauges;-)

type911.org

or you can find him here
stationcompteurs


Ivan

proporsche 03-20-2021 08:32 AM

here is similar 1974 911S
https://cdn.motorcar.com/used-1974-p...815-13-640.jpg

jbell959 03-20-2021 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by proporsche (Post 11267022)

Cool.. Never seen a speedo like that either.

RC: Does your speedo have the same needle with black center?

911_rs74 03-20-2021 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbell959 (Post 11267026)
Cool.. Never seen a speedo like that either.

RC: Does your speedo have the same needle with black center?

Thanks for the reply guys

No it's just the tacho, the speedo is the normal version for 2.7

Part number is 911 641 301 29 - 0001

This is a picture of the back





http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1616260313.JPG

proporsche 03-20-2021 09:31 AM

RC,it is very possible it has been apart ..the markings next to the screws..otherwise very interesting tacho ...

Ivan

911_rs74 03-20-2021 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by proporsche (Post 11267081)
RC,it is very possible it has been apart ..the markings next to the screws..otherwise very interesting tacho ...

Ivan

Yes it's the most likely scenario I guess

proporsche 03-20-2021 09:48 AM

But,very nice piece and it is good to have something different..;-)

Ivan

304065 03-21-2021 06:42 PM

So you have a tach made before the August factory closure, which would have been a 1973, and your car was made in December which makes it a 1974.

There is usually a witness mark of paint on the screws- that and the scratch marks around the screw heads and distortion of the slots suggest this tach was opened at some point for repairs, and the needle was replaced.

here's a photo of an early 74

https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g17972433/1974-porsche-911-vs-911s-targa-911s-carrera-archived-comparison-test-gallery/?slide=29

911_rs74 03-22-2021 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 304065 (Post 11268390)
So you have a tach made before the August factory closure, which would have been a 1973, and your car was made in December which makes it a 1974.

There is usually a witness mark of paint on the screws- that and the scratch marks around the screw heads and distortion of the slots suggest this tach was opened at some point for repairs, and the needle was replaced.

here's a photo of an early 74

https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g17972433/1974-porsche-911-vs-911s-targa-911s-carrera-archived-comparison-test-gallery/?slide=29

Thanks for your answer, I found a picture of a black center early tach on a post,

maybe I will ask what's the story behind.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594575914.jpg

Ian Comerford 03-22-2021 07:15 AM

I notice your car has a 3.0 engine so maybe the tacho was swapped out for another to make it work ok with that engine?

jbell959 03-22-2021 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911_rs74 (Post 11268705)
Thanks for your answer, I found a picture of a black center early tach on a post,

maybe I will ask what's the story behind.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594575914.jpg

That one is an earlier tach evident by the ivory versus white face. 68 through sometime in 71 were that off-white color.

911_rs74 03-22-2021 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Comerford (Post 11268718)
I notice your car has a 3.0 engine so maybe the tacho was swapped out for another to make it work ok with that engine?

No I swapped the engine recently but it had a 2.7 since the beginning.

LJ851 03-22-2021 02:38 PM

The tach in my car is nearly identical. It has the same face, same part number but has a 7/75 build date.

The needle is the newer style like you would expect and the labels for each electrical terminal are cast into the plastic not printed on the metal housing like yours.

Walt Fricke 03-24-2021 02:44 PM

This was a real 2.7RS, and you put a 3.0 in it?

911_rs74 03-25-2021 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walt Fricke (Post 11271756)
This was a real 2.7RS, and you put a 3.0 in it?

No just a common 2.7

Walt Fricke 03-25-2021 03:28 PM

When I put a 3.0 into my '77 Euro 2.7, I was advised to change my tachometer. The earlier tachs got their signal from the distributor points. When the points went away, the six pin CD box had a dedicated (and cleaned up) tach output - a pretty clean 12V square wave. This supposedly would not work with the original tach, and an SC tach was what was recommended (which I did).

But you have an even earlier tach, so this doesn't quite make sense. My suspicion is that you can't easily convert these by changing some passive electronic components inside the tach, but maybe you (a knowledgeable shop) can?


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