Just got my 964 lid and I can feel the excitement building..........

[Stevie]

Ok, I've just got my 964 engine lid and spoiler to install on my 86 Carrera, and I've been trying to look at the old posts on the installation and wiring of this.

This one:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/Forum3/HTML/007160.html

has Jack Olsen's pictures on it but the links seem to have disappeared - can anyone help ??

I have the other post with JAE's wiring diagram so that's great, but is there anything else I need to know ?

I'm just going to wire this up with an electric window switch for simplicity at the moment - I may get brave later and get more complex.

Do I definitely need to get the 964 mounting hinges as well, or will it fit with a bit of 'adjustment' using the old ones ??

Thanks very much.



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Steve

'86 911 Carrera
'83 944

[Jack Olsen]

Here you go.

Here are three pictures of the underside of my decklid. I don't think they're going to be tremendously helpful for you, since my mechanic did the work, and he zip-tied the cover on the thing, so I can't take it off.

Click on the links for the pictures:

Underside

Underside, alt

Microswitches, or relays?

Tyson's your man for explaining the rest of this. You've just got to catch him when he's out of jail.

And:

All right, here's more:

Picture 1

Picture 2

Picture 3

Picture 4

Picture 5

And here's a movie of it opening and closing, in:

Quicktime (5 megs)

AVI (13 megs, worse quality)

And finally:

All right, until I have time to snip more zip ties, here's the one shot I have from the reverse angle:

Picture 6


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Jack Olsen
My Rennlist home page • My Pelican Gallery page • My Porsche Owners Gallery page

[Jack Olsen]

And:

[JAE]

Stevie,
I hope you don't have a/c, or else forget it.

If your hinges are the same as an SC, you will have to:

1. Put a steel tube (spacer) on a longer nut to move the hinge attachment point out about an inch on each side.
2. Put a spacer between the hinge attachment to the lid, and the lid that's around 1/2 inch. Point is to raise the height of the entire lid.

I don't know how 964 hinges would work. I spent a lot of time adjusting the thing to get it to look reasonably good- but I have a white car, so alignment misses really stand out. Once you get it sorted out though, you can switch back and forth with your original lid really quickly if you want.

Interestingly enough, the shape of the lid was not as good a fit as my original. Geometry slightly off. I wonder how much tinkering they did at the factory with parts to get a good finished product. Let me know if you want some pics.

Almost forgot. When you install the lid latch, DO NOT, under any circumstances, close the lid until you are absolutely certain it aligns correctly. It will stick shut and you will be in deep s**t.
Ask me how I know!

Joe
'80 SC Targa

[This message has been edited by JAE (edited 07-28-2001).]

[Stevie]

Thanks very much for your help guys, it really is very much appreciated.

I took off my Carrera tail yesterday and think that the best thing to do would be to get a pair of hinges from a 964 - hopefully this will save any alignment problems. I'm assuming that the mounting points for the 964 hinges are the same as the earlier cars, but all will become clear !



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Steve

'86 911 Carrera
'83 944

[89911]

Just wondering but it seems like alot of work to put a tail on a car....that already has a tail? What reason? You don't like the "in your face" late eighties styling? Like it or not, it was a much more efficient wing then the 964's, thats why they stuck them on the Turbos and RS America's.

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[JAE]

Good question 89911. When I was younger, I always liked following the Porsche's with the wing that went up and went down just so I could watch. So I wanted one, and I got one, and now I'm playing with it- having some fun. I was also having some high speed handling problems from a front spoiler w/no accompanying tail, and the mid 80's styling that most associate with "turbo" seems a bit much for my rather tame 180 h.p. SC-IMHO. Go figure, there's no accounting for taste.

Joe
'80 SC Targa

[This message has been edited by JAE (edited 07-29-2001).]

[Stevie]

My first thought was to put a 'plain' engine lid on my car - as on non-sport equipped cars, but as the 964 tail was the same price I figured this was the way to go.

As one of the other guys said - the 964 tail gives you the 'proper' 911 smooth look, and downforce at speed when required - the best of both worlds !

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Steve

'86 911 Carrera
'83 944

[runner4fun]

I realize that this is an old thread but thought I'd offer some input as I have just installed a 964 lid with spoiler on a 1983 SC coupe. The issue is that the distance between the hinge mounting points on the body of the car are closer on an SC or Carrera (have one of those as well) than the 964 hinge mounting points. Getting 964 lid hinges does nothing to solve this problem. Spacing the hinge mounts on the body with spacers seems like a lees than ideal solution as it messes up the geometry of the hinges and misaligns the lid struts from the hinges (which must in the same line). We modified a pair of 964 hinges by welding spaces to the center of the lid thereby allowing the hinges (a) to mount on the 964 lid and (b) also mount on the SC body hinge mounts. It took some doing but is a very stable and properly aligned set up. We installed a micro switch to the wire harness and used a stock window switch. The micro switch activates the spoiler to fully opened or closed with one touch to the window switch (as an electric window works). Hope this helps.

[rattlsnak]

Runner, yes, there are several threads on what to do about the difference with the 964 hinges,, but this thread is a good starting point for reference..

Help! Installing 964 decklid on early car. Hinges and wiring?

[runner4fun]

Thanks Marc.

[pojefferson]

Originally Posted by JAE

Stevie,
I hope you don't have a/c, or else forget it.

If your hinges are the same as an SC, you will have to:

1. Put a steel tube (spacer) on a longer nut to move the hinge attachment point out about an inch on each side.
2. Put a spacer between the hinge attachment to the lid, and the lid that's around 1/2 inch. Point is to raise the height of the entire lid.

I don't know how 964 hinges would work. I spent a lot of time adjusting the thing to get it to look reasonably good- but I have a white car, so alignment misses really stand out. Once you get it sorted out though, you can switch back and forth with your original lid really quickly if you want.

Interestingly enough, the shape of the lid was not as good a fit as my original. Geometry slightly off. I wonder how much tinkering they did at the factory with parts to get a good finished product. Let me know if you want some pics.

Almost forgot. When you install the lid latch, DO NOT, under any circumstances, close the lid until you are absolutely certain it aligns correctly. It will stick shut and you will be in deep s**t.
Ask me how I know!

Joe
'80 SC Targa

[This message has been edited by JAE (edited 07-28-2001).]

I realize this is a super old post, so I know it's a long shot that anyone on it is still following. My question is about the hinge modifications described above, and if you have any pictures to give me a better idea what you did?

I especially like this aspect of your approach: "Once you get it sorted out though, you can switch back and forth with your original lid really quickly if you want."

btw - I have an 88' Carrera (vs. an SC) if that is material.

[pojefferson]

Originally Posted by runner4fun

I realize that this is an old thread but thought I'd offer some input as I have just installed a 964 lid with spoiler on a 1983 SC coupe. The issue is that the distance between the hinge mounting points on the body of the car are closer on an SC or Carrera (have one of those as well) than the 964 hinge mounting points. Getting 964 lid hinges does nothing to solve this problem. Spacing the hinge mounts on the body with spacers seems like a lees than ideal solution as it messes up the geometry of the hinges and misaligns the lid struts from the hinges (which must in the same line). We modified a pair of 964 hinges by welding spaces to the center of the lid thereby allowing the hinges (a) to mount on the 964 lid and (b) also mount on the SC body hinge mounts. It took some doing but is a very stable and properly aligned set up. We installed a micro switch to the wire harness and used a stock window switch. The micro switch activates the spoiler to fully opened or closed with one touch to the window switch (as an electric window works). Hope this helps.

hi! If it's not too much trouble, I would love to see some pictures showing how you modified the 964 hinges, including how they look at the attach points.

I'm presently in the investigation stage, assessing the feasibility for doing this; i.e. adding a 964 rear deck lid and retracting spoiler to my '88 Carrera. My strong preference is to keep the car (body) and existing 911 deck lid (and hinges) in tack, so I can revert easily.

thanks!

[runner4fun]

I am finishing my 1983 SC back-date. Thought I'd post a photo of the my real electric spoiler.

[gomezoneill]

Originally Posted by runner4fun

I am finishing my 1983 SC back-date. Thought I'd post a photo of the my real electric spoiler.

Man that's beautiful, the color, the stance just beautiful. More photos let's see the engine.

[runner4fun]

Thank you. The car has a 3.8L engine, full 993 HVAC system, 996TT calipers, 100L rally fuel tank, and all new Spinneybeck leather interior. Things got a bit out of hand, shall we say.

[gomezoneill]

Brings tears to my eye's so beautiful. Did you do all that in you garage stall? I'll trade you for my 911sc, 911 carrera and 928!

That's perfection very hard to do.

[runner4fun]

Again, thank you for the kind words. Yes, pretty much all done in my garage. Of course, I had a welder, mechanic, painter and upholstery team helping me. I am now on the hunt for a 911T to redo. So, if anyone knows of one for sale please PM me.

I may sell the SC back date, as it's almost too valuable a car for me to keep as my weekend driver.

[HorstP]

well, you will need to modify your existing hinges (or another pair of 911 hinges) or get custom made hinges for the 964 lid (that's what I did)

Ignore the rest of the picture, I just want to show that there are possibilities to not use the heavy (but well proven) 964 spoiler



in my case lid and spoiler are carbon fiber and as such very light

[HorstP]

this is how the hinges I am using look like: