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robertmark 06-14-2021 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by faapgar (Post 11362139)
A little clarity on what was requested and what went sideways would add credence to your story.I do not care who did but the end result would be nice.Ciao:eek:

Absolutely. This was a barn find that sat for 40 years. The engine turned freely, by hand. All mechanicals were to be sorted to make the car reliable and road worthy. This was to include complete engine rebuild, along with tranny, fuel and brake systems, alignment, braking. Basically everything to put the car on the road safely, reliable, and road worthy.
What went sideways was broke down on the side of the road, engine smoking like an 80’s rock star. And the car no longer functioning.
Speedster911. You mean the learning curve extends beyond the age of 56??? Not good news!!

Discseven 06-14-2021 06:01 PM

Robert... who did that service?
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mepstein 06-14-2021 06:13 PM

If you win a lawsuit, can you collect? Winning doesn’t insure you get the money. Chances are the shop owner doesn’t have whatever you spent on the repair, just lying around.

Matt Monson 06-14-2021 06:40 PM

Indiana has air cooled mechanics? Who knew.

Sorry you got duped. I never understand how these crooks keep doing this, but then most people just take their lumps and say nothing.

I’ve sued someone in small claims court over a similar deal. We won a judgement. It took over 2 years to get a cent. But we were ruthless. We contacted employers. We got wages garnished. We went to court several times. Don’t know how that would work with a proprietor. But even then a judgement will always be in the public records.

robertmark 06-15-2021 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 11362359)
Indiana has air cooled mechanics? Who knew.

Sorry you got duped. I never understand how these crooks keep doing this, but then most people just take their lumps and say nothing.

I’ve sued someone in small claims court over a similar deal. We won a judgement. It took over 2 years to get a cent. But we were ruthless. We contacted employers. We got wages garnished. We went to court several times. Don’t know how that would work with a proprietor. But even then a judgement will always be in the public records.

That's the problem I found out Matt, Indiana doesn't have air-cooled guys, at least not this guy. I've done like you, sued, and pursued the judgement I was awarded to the end's of the earth. Just feel this is a bit more complex as some of his work is ok, but the vast is not. I want to pursue the big ticket items that needed redoing such as mfi, distributor, etc...

People like this guy need to be stopped and answer for their crimes, imo. Too many people do like you stated, "Take their lumps and say nothing"

As to be called out BS on the quote of the mechanic wanting to beat up Ferry, I have proof, and a witness. How do you even make up a quote like that????

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions!!

ted 06-15-2021 05:52 AM

It's a Porsche but it's still the used car business.
Most every independent shop says they can fix anything.
As a car owner it's up to us to figure out which shop to use and which shop to avoid.
If your hobby is used cars eventually you might be burned by a shady business posing as a car repair shop.
I've had to pay a bad shop twice to do the same job, then go to a new shop to get it corrected again.
In the past I was encouraged to small claims court inferior work but instead moved on and found better shops to do my work.
In fact every time I moved to a new shop I learned more and my cars performance improved.
In 10 years you can look back and laugh.
The bitterness dissipates and you should be glad you recognized your mechanic was being a jerk and he was a lousy mechanic too.

l_turn9 06-15-2021 09:10 AM

Ted Wrote "As a car owner it's up to us to figure out which shop to use and which shop to avoid".

Excellent point! As the old saying goes, "Let the Buyer beware." Not to put all the blame on the OP because we should expect some integrity from the people who want to be paid for doing work.

Also, this forum and others like it, are excellent resources to use when needing a Pro. (When I started reading this thread I started thinking about MM). ;-)

pmax 06-15-2021 12:00 PM

The other 911, is the tach still missing ?

I wonder who the hapless owner is.

Glenfield 06-15-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by l_turn9 (Post 11362839)
Ted Wrote "As a car owner it's up to us to figure out which shop to use and which shop to avoid".

Excellent point! As the old saying goes, "Let the Buyer beware." Not to put all the blame on the OP because we should expect some integrity from the people who want to be paid for doing work.

Also, this forum and others like it, are excellent resources to use when needing a Pro. (When I started reading this thread I started thinking about MM). ;-)

This is more difficult to do than you let on. I did all the diligence in the world, and went to a shop that was highly recommended on this forum and has a very good standing in this market. Guess what? Said shop also likes to swap tacometers (among other things that could generously be described as gross negligence). Shops go bad.

The only advice when beginning a relationship with any service provider is to assume the worst and document and contract accordingly. It’s all good until it isn’t and at that point, you need to be protected (ie well documented) bc in my experience “he says she says” won’t carry water legally. Once you’ve got a trusted relationship with a mechanic or any service provider - well that has to be close to heaven on earth!

robertmark 06-16-2021 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 11363036)
The other 911, is the tach still missing ?

I wonder who the hapless owner is.

Great question. The answer is days after the other guys car was raped, the builder put an add on pelican for tach needed.

930cabman 06-19-2021 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AG81 (Post 11361256)
The only folks winning are the lawyers. Been there done that.

Lawyers/attorneys, etc., aka: legal crooks I try to steer clear of them anytime possible

Cairo94507 06-20-2021 04:50 AM

Is it really worth all of the trouble to file Small Claims? Loss of time is huge. How many times you have to go to court because the defendant was not ready, failed to appear, etc. I had a bad experience with a shop in VA that came highly recommended. Problem is people change and those who may have been good become crooks. I just posted the facts and named him and his business name on various Porsche sites and did a negative Yelp. I kept it 100% factual with pictures that showed the horrible work. His business went from bad to almost non-existent. He then contacted me with a financial repayment plan. Yes, it was not all he stole, but some was better than none.

I had some people initially come to this crooks aide, but after they saw all of the photos and then this crook's rambling excuses, they all shut up. That guy has since disappeared from all of the sites I posted on about him. Oh, 2 other members pulled their cars from his shop. They were both complete restorations too. So, that had to hurt. Good luck.

icarp 06-20-2021 07:36 AM

I know this story very well , robertmark has kept me up to date. I think this case is very much like rape . If you do not say anything , there will be another victim . The case against the shop is clear cut and full of charges for no work done . Robert stay strong with your course .
Ian

robertmark 06-22-2021 06:34 AM

See the attached pictures of my rebuilt mfi. My engine builder supposedly sent it out for a proper rebuild. What you see is epoxy holding in the oil supply fitting. Also note the reuse of the original 50 year old gaskets. Gus Phister is the man who just completed a beautiful and proper rebuild. I believe at this point my engine builder never sent it out to be rebuilt, probably messed it up himself.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1624372370.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1624372370.JPG

DonNewton 06-22-2021 07:22 AM

Oh, sweet Jesus. Pictures to make you ill.

Matt Monson 06-22-2021 07:33 AM

That’s enough rtv to seal two engine case halves together.

proporsche 06-22-2021 07:37 AM

insane..but those guy are also on old Continent..look i had to the lifters and most of the time i had to clean this mess,never mind 6 striped bolts threads on the camshaft housing for the valve cover....it was a local expert you can tell by the oil return tubes different o rings.........http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1624376041.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1624376119.jpg

robertmark 06-22-2021 08:28 AM

This is why I want to pursue him legally. I don't want anyone else to go through this. Pump and distributor rebuilders have supplied me letters stating what they found. Hopefully this will help with my legal recourse.

chrisbalich 06-22-2021 12:50 PM

I live in central Indiana and have a pretty good idea who did this. If you don't disclose tonight or tomorrow, I'll PM you to be sure.

robertmark 06-22-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisbalich (Post 11369532)
I live in central Indiana and have a pretty good idea who did this. If you don't disclose tonight or tomorrow, I'll PM you to be sure.

PM me your guess, if you're wrong, which I doubt you will be, I will let you know the name of the serial rapist!! This guy really needs to be stopped.


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