How common and severe is orange peel on a new respray??

[Arcadia]

Looking at a 3.2 with a respray. It's got some pretty decent orange peel. Is this common for a classic 911 respray. It's nice and glossly but is this something that devalues the car and how expensive is it to paint correct?

[mark4ton]

orange peel on a porsche is not acceptable. paint correction usually starts at about 1500$

[pampadori]

If you purchase yourself a nice random orbit buffer and some pads and compounds, you can knock out a small car like a 911 in a half day.
You wet sand the orange peel down to a flat smooth surface then buff until shiny again. There is more to it than that but not much more.

[Bill Douglas]

Another thing to consider is if the person did such a poor job as to make and leave orange peel, what else did they do wrong? Cheap paint, poor prep, is there enough clear to polish it...

[David Inc.]

You'll always have peel on a new paint job, even (and especially) factory. I wouldn't worry about it and it would need paint corrected. A detailer can check the thickness to make sure there's enough clear to do it.

Seriously though, look at the side of any factory SUV, even Porsche, the orange peel will make your eyes bleed.

[SCDP]

Very common, unfortunately. What color is this car? A small amount of orange peel was present from the factory, but the texture is very smooth and consistent, and it can really only be seen when looking right down the side of the car indoors. I check this in every PPI with the car at eye level on the lift. With resprays, you can usually see when the sanding got lazy as you look lower on the car or near edges & gaps. Correction does depend on paint type and quality, to a certain extent. A lot of modern resprays are water-based two stage with clearcoat, instead of the original lacquer, and the finish is never correct. Also, there are still a lot of cars out there that were painted when they weren't worth much (like mine), and their finish doesn't stand up under today's heavy scrutiny.

[Arcadia]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

You'll always have peel on a new paint job, even (and especially) factory. I wouldn't worry about it and it would need paint corrected. A detailer can check the thickness to make sure there's enough clear to do it.

Seriously though, look at the side of any factory SUV, even Porsche, the orange peel will make your eyes bleed.

That being the case, does the peel hurt resale value? If I don't bother doing a paint correct for $2K?

[almostordinary]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

You'll always have peel on a new paint job, even (and especially) factory. I wouldn't worry about it and it would need paint corrected. A detailer can check the thickness to make sure there's enough clear to do it.

Seriously though, look at the side of any factory SUV, even Porsche, the orange peel will make your eyes bleed.

100% accurate. Bought my wife a Macan and I was blown away by the amount of factory peel in the paint... so much so that for a while I had to eyeball newer cars in parking lots... it's the current industry standard.

[EC900]

Some of the auction sites refer to this a 10 foot looker. Common? Shouldn’t be.
You shouldn’t have to rely on getting lucky with a body shop and hope to get a perfect respray of panel spray, experience and equipment are key.

As far as experienced spray operators go, sometimes it’s mistakes with ambient temperature that can cause issues as I think happened having a door painted in sub-zero weather spell and possibly a too cold shop and metal, but again experience and inspection should have corrected the problem beforehand.

You can get very good results with Griots correcting cream step process using their instructions and specific pads. The base coat could be perfect and the top clear coat could be o-p.

I managed to bring life back to many dull spots of old clear coat overspray and areas that had some orange peel. I have no real detailing experience but dabbled here and there, finding random orbit polishing the safest DYI method vs. high speed buffer or by hand for weekend project…you’ll get pleasing results.
I’d hate to spend $1000 or more for a professional paint correction and not see any or be pleased with the results other than more shine and less scratches on the o-p.

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by almostordinary

100% accurate. Bought my wife a Macan and I was blown away by the amount of factory peel in the paint... so much so that for a while I had to eyeball newer cars in parking lots... it's the current industry standard.

Yep, and I don't think it was really better before. How could it be? The paint and application technology in use now is just better (well okay high VOC stuff probably laid better, but the application is much more even and consistent now).

Anyway, I resprayed my '82 SC last year and the painter asked me if I wanted factory or show, I said factory. I guess I didn't realize that factory meant modern factory, not wet-sanded factory from Porsche of the era. I was surprised at the orange peel, but he pointed to the brand new $100k BMW X7 parked next to my SC, and the orange peel on the SC was miles better than what was on the X7. That said, when I brought the car into a shop for an alignment the old Porsche guy recognized it as a respray right away.

The body guy did lay down extra clear, though, in case I want to do correction later. I'm mulling it over, but honestly it looks rather nice as is, and I frequently do HPDE so it's not like I'm not going to ruin it anyway.

Edit: If you really want to blow your mind, take a good look at the side of a new F-150. **** me running it looks teeeeerrribble.

[Showdown]

If I paid someone more than maaco or earl scheib charges to paint my car and it came back with orange peel, I’d be rightly pissed off.

I painted my car myself and save for a few small spots, orange peel is non existent. I couldn’t care less but the point is that I used cheap Eastwood paint and I’ve never painted a car before.

Orange peel free paint shouldn’t be the exception.

[Dpmulvan]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

You'll always have peel on a new paint job, even (and especially) factory. I wouldn't worry about it and it would need paint corrected. A detailer can check the thickness to make sure there's enough clear to do it.

Seriously though, look at the side of any factory SUV, even Porsche, the orange peel will make your eyes bleed.

???????? Orange peel is caused from improper atomization.

[David Inc.]

Originally Posted by Dpmulvan

???????? Orange peel is caused from improper atomization.

How much peel are we talking, though? I mean I wouldn't expect to see dead flat results from a spray, but I wouldn't expect either to see a rough texture to the paint.

[GH85Carrera]

There is usually always orange peel, the difference is how much wet sanding is done during the final finishing of the paint job to remove the orange peel. A perfect paint job can be a LOT of extra money for the labor of wet sanding and buffing.

[dannobee]

For two decades, our body shop was on the other side of the wall from me. Those guys went to great lengths to reproduce the exact factory orange peel/texture when doing body repairs. To do this over practically every car line imaginable was quite impressive.

And if you happen to be in a "real" concours event, you can get marked off if the finish is smoother than a factory job.

If you want to see horrible factory paint, and fit & finish, look no further than Tesla. It's stupefying what they can get away with.

If it's isolated to a spot or two, "cut and buff" the paint to flatten out the high spots.

[MST0118]

I agree with Dannobee. If you want a factory look, you need a painter that could put the right amount of orange peel, not a perfect color sanded finish. If the original look doesn’t matter, then I think a perfect finish does look better.

[josephvman]

Orange peel is pretty common on newer cars, even Porsches. It has a lot to do with the water-based urethane paints that environment regulations require. I think the post referring to improper atomization really meant how the paint gun was set and used by the painter, which can absolutely affect how much orange peel you get. The nice thing about these new paints is even if you never wax or polish them they’ll still look shockingly good over time. The downside is the orange peel. If I ever refinish my Guards Red 3.2 I’ll go wil a single stage paint. I just prefer the look.

[Bill Douglas]

As a (free) favour I painted a replacement hood for a friend's Fiat. I thought darn I've ended up with a tiny bit of orange peel. I left it a few days, wet sanded it with 2,000 grit sandpaper, coarse polished it, then fine polished it. Zero orange peel and the hood looked like a glistening lake

[jess p]

New cars come from the factory with orange peel. Take some 2000 grit sandpaper and lots of water, start sanding, carefully. When you are done sanding wash the car thoroughly. Then with a BLUE buffing pad and ultra fine machine polish from 3M buff. There you are, perfect glass

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