pulling to the right problem

[ramonesfreak]

Hi, my car is at my local tech trying to fix a problem with the car pulling right

it has been doing this since i had the suspension refreshed a month ago. When that was done we did turbo tie rods, new ball joints, new shocks front and rear and all ER rubber bushings and new spring plates with new bushings.

Since then, it pulls to the right pretty hard. You gotta counter steer to the left to keep it straight. Not fun

My tech double checked the alignment which he says is perfect including corner balance. I don't have the numbers for you but he has a rack and scales and knows what he is doing so I will take his word for it

he checked the brake calipers and they are fine

he swapped the front tires, left to right, and no change

he checked the torsion bars and they are fine

tire pressures checked, fine

ride height is low but was not lowered any more than it was prior to the refresh

anyone think a bump steer kit would correct this?

the car pulls right no matter what the road is....flat parking lot, left lane of highway still pulls right up to crown of road etc....

I dont see how a bump steer kit would correct this situation where the car always pulls right

thoughts on how to diagnose this?

[ramonesfreak]

and additional detail, it is slight but I noticed it feels like it takes a little more effort to steer the car to the left than the right after the suspension refresh

i cant imagine how the steering rack could suddenly develop and issue after a suspension refresh. is there any other reason why it could take more effort to steer left? I dont notice any binding or anything else unusual about the steering other than it pulls hard to the right

[Antomero]

Check you tires. Swapping left to right is not enough. Try and find 4 different rims and tires, and see if it still pulls.

[EC900]

I experienced a bit of this when I bought new tires,(F150) nothing harsh more of a wandering to the right, like a low tire. A $100 alignment check didn’t find any major problems how the suspension was set, maybe a degree here but not there.
The theory is that the new tires may take time to get accustomed to the old suspension. Everything seems fine now after a few hundred miles.

Ruled out the low air tire pressure, maybe the old tires are responding to the new, tightened tie rods? Any obstructions in the smugglers box at the steering wheel shaft or worn u-joints ? The steering rack could be just worn out, and not mating well with the new T/R’s?

I’ve found suspension can be finicky, so many other worn components affects the new parts operation. i.e. replace just one side, upper/lower, left/right, etc. such things can respond differently when something up or down stream is changed out, the symptoms of the bad rack are more of steering effort and wheel returning slow to center on turns, maybe some slack issue too, but my experience on that were with hydraulics.

Can’t say if re-adjusting the TR’s to non-spec align measurements just to try and eliminate or compensate is proper approach, which probably can be done but not w/o maybe creating another issue. But the TRs is where I would triple check if a worn high mile rack isn’t the problem.

[ramonesfreak]

Car has 120k miles

Tires had about 2k miles on them prior to refresh. Tech inspected wear pattern and said they are even and he swapped, as in took tires off rims and swapped so it probably isn’t the tire…thought maybe a broken belt but I didn’t hit anything after leaving the shop last month so not sure how a tire could get damaged

The problem wasn’t there prior to the suspension work so I am doubting it’s suddenly the steering rack but will look into it

[tratza]

Ball joints?

[Antomero]

If not the tires, maybe a binding torsion bar. I would triple check the tires. I had the same problem and it turned out to be bad tires (broken belts). What tire brand do you have? We swapped tires and rims from another 3.2 carrera that was in the shop to finally nail the problem.

[ramonesfreak]

Ball joints are brand new

Tires are Firestone Firehawk Indy 500

He checked torsion bars and said they were fine. First question I asked

[ramonesfreak]

When a guy who sets up suspension on race cars for 40 years can’t diagnose the problem….I get worried. This project has cost a damn fortune and getting worse by the day

[Antomero]

Does your steering wheel turn right as soon as you start rolling forward?

[ramonesfreak]

Yes it’s immediate

[Antomero]

It’s your tires

[ramonesfreak]

Even though he swapped them? How could that be ? Wouldn’t it then pull left, the opposite way?

[ramonesfreak]

Never mind. I see your point. Unless the tires were put on backwards when swapped (they weren’t) it would still pull right

[Antomero]

Borrow a set of tires and wheels. I’m very confident that you will find your problem.

[ramonesfreak]

I don’t have anyone to borrow from so I’m gonna have to throw money at it by buying tires if he doesn’t discover some other cause

I’ll ask him if he has spares laying around but I’m sure if he did that he would have tried that by now because the car is taking up space in a small but very busy shop

[Antomero]

I spent thousands chasing the same problem. I rebuilt my steering rack, new tie rods, new torsion bars, corner balance all new rubber suspension components, new trailing arm bushings. The list goes on.. but you get my point. In the end it was bad tires. My tires Michelin Pilot Exalto with 3k mikes on them were the culprit. Tire rack along with Michelin was amazing and replaced my tires under warranty.

My Porsche drives better than new now )))

Good luck! Hope this helps you out.

[ramonesfreak]

Well to be clear and what baffles me is, the car was NOT pulling right before the suspension refresh. I didn’t do the refresh in order to chase down this issue. I did all that because I’ve been needing to since I got the car 17 years ago. It was all original stuff, even the ball joints were 41 years old.

The problem with pulling right only appeared once I picked up the car when the refresh work was done…..which makes me wonder how can it suddenly be a bad tire…..I didn’t hit anything since picking it up and I noticed the problem driving home. I know he didn’t hit anything test driving it when he completed the job….he just isn’t the type to do that and not say something….but why he didn’t notice the issue before I came to get the car is also puzzling

[Antomero]

It’s possible you had the problem before the refresh and you just didn’t notice or it wasn’t as pronounced. Adding new damper and suspension components made the problem apparent. IMO

[ramonesfreak]

Yea very possible especially with the new turbo tie rods.