Help Jaime find a 911
 

Hi all,

Well the long time girlfriend has decided it's time to buy a car. She's been driving around in the same old car since high school and now she's ready for a real ride.

She's not interested in dramatic depreciation of a new car. More importantly, she's not afraid of buying a used car. For better or worse, dating me for the last few years has exposed her to many different sports cars.

Her two favorites in the under 30k range are the late model BMW M Coupe (the Z3 based coupe with the M3 motor) and a 92-94 964 C4 cab, targa, coupe in that order.

So, if anyone spies a clean black on black or silver on black version of either please let me know. Of course we prefer an original private owner with records but this search is far and wide. We prefer a car within a reasonable distance from Pittsburgh, but of course, we'll come to the right car regardless of where it is located in the lower 48 states.

Her purchasing plan was to wait until the fall when the sports car prices (according to the old wives' tale) drop a bit. But, unfortunately, she smashed up her old car yesterday. She was unhurt in the accident but now the full court press for her dream car is on.

Just lask week, we looked at a gorgeous black C4 wide-body the other day but that's probably out of the price range. But, geez, that's a nice looking car. I'm not *usually* a big fan of the 964's but the black on black wide body C4 with sport seats was really nice.

If you want to make an argument for one choice or the other, fire away. She'll be reading along. To her credit, she's really thought long and hard about this so don't bother suggesting any other models. I've tried the 3.2 Carrera route, 968 Cabriolet, etc... No go. It's going to be one or the other of the above cars and might boil down to the nicest one she sees regardless of which model it is (although I'd argue for the P-car of course).

Thanks all!

David

P.S. there's a photo of Jaime in the recent Watkins Glen R Gruppe meet thread. She went along for the weekend and enjoyed all the early Porsche racecars with the rest of us.

Dave, I admire your LTGF taste in automobiles. It takes a special mind set to admit liking the looks of the M Coupe, I always liked it and you see so few of them, it would make an exceptionally fast grocery getter. I'm just out in Chester Co. I'll keep my eyes open here for any thing.

91c2,
Are you in pottsville?.. I was there just last week seeing my g/f. She lives in Coaldale

westgermanbmw.com has two M coupes listed a 2000 and a 2002

Tim, Ah if only the home Yueguling(sp?) I'm from Phoenixville

www.devonhill.com has a nice Blue M Coupe, Jamie How am I doing so far?

AHH.. I'm not sure where that is but at least it's in PA.

we're even, I haven't a clue where coaldale is! I'm down near the valley forge area.

Ahh she's about 15-20 minutes north of pottsville and an hour north and east of harrisburg

Tim, wouldn't that be close to where the earth is on fire? Can't remember the name of the town, but you know the one that's a ghost town.....Centralia, see my mind isn't totally gone.

And yea, Dave I know we're supposed to be finding 964's, but there are damn few listed down here, I really am on your side!

Are you kidding? Get the 964! The 92-94's are all sorted out and represent almost 40 years of Porsche experience with air cooled motors. The 3.6 has plenty of HP and torque and do not leak. The flywheel and distributor issues have been addressed and the exterior has been updated with cup wheels and aero mirrors. The cabs are nice even though the back window is plastic, the targas are different and really is a personal preference and the coupes (and cabs) can be had with the wide body.

The BMW has always had controversial styling and is a matter of personal preference. But in the end, the Porsche is a true sports car, the BMW looks like one (to some).

The M roadster will be much easier to maintain than the 964 C2 cab. All you have to do is change the oil. Change other fluids once or every 2 years. That's it. In addition, the M roaster is a much more modern car than the 964. The 964, you have to do valve adjustments. As for reliability, the M-roadster S52 engine is pretty bullet proof.

The M-roadster is a much more comfortable and easier to drive. More comfortable seats, better driving position. Lighter steering, clutches, gas, brakes, etc. The shifter is light years from the 964. Suspension is more geared toward a daily driver. Lighting is much better than the 964. Drive both and see what she likes.

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What about a Boxster?

axl, Boxters are chick cars, I've driven them and they are very nice, but nice is not an attribute I look for in a sports car.

Dave/Jamie, I sorta gotta go with the adman, A wide body C4 Triple black is an excellent find, the market is soft now and you might be able to chisel'em down on the dollars.

some people (well, nostatic anyway) think the M-Coupe looks like a clown shoe, but it's always been one of my favorites.

No back seat thre, but how much can you fit in that little hatch? Will it hold a bike with the front wheel off or is there no way?

She won't even discuss a Boxster. I suggested it over my own convictions for all the reasons they sell so well; more modern, probably more reliable, easier to drive, etc. No dice. The girl doesn't like them at all.

My personal choice is the C4 wide body, black on black. I think that's her favorite too.

The maintenance issues are a consideration. She plans on keeping the car for years and over time, I sorta figured they'd be about the same and if they tipped in favor of the BMW I figured my Porsche background (if any) would help balance the scales. Valve adjustments aren't a big deal after all.

I also think the C4 is somehow more car for the dollar spent. The S52-engined M Coupes do have a decent reputation but I assume they'll continue to depreicate quickly over the next few more years. The S54's seem to be a different story. The prices are higher yet we've all heard about the problems these engines have in the M3's. They seem to be more rare also.

The 964's are also depreciating but probably at a slower rate by now. Conventional wisdom says that any 911, in the long run, will hold its value better over just about any other car that doesn't end in the letter "i".

I'll check out the links mentioed above. Thanks so much for the tips! I told Jaime that this board would find her a car faster than any amount of time searching the classified ads. I dropped my PCA membership awhile ago, would someone mind scanning the most recent Pano?

Thanks guys!

David

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Second owner (FL, AL, CO). Never raced or wrecked. Chip, K&N filter, 993 17" wheels. Excellent in & out. Recent AC clutch, compressor, CV boots, valve cover gaskets, cooling fan. 60,000 mi service done. New Pilots in front, lowered on Eibach springs
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Someone has been smoking some bad $hit or had too much to drink thinking a 91 Cab is going to get anywhere near $35K. At that price, you can get a 993 Cab and in a couple of months, a 996 Cab.

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Vehicle has been recently reduced $$. Used as weekend vehicle and garage kept. I've only had a professional Porsche mechanic touch this vehicle. Pwr locks, sunroof, leather, pwr seats, 17" Porsche Cup wheels, antilock brakes, ect.... too many to list. Interior is in PERFECT condition. Exterior is in great condition. Additional pictures can be provided on request. Please contact me at 910-526-1917 if you have any further questions.
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I am selling this beautiful red 1993 911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet this summer. The vehicle is in excellent condition inside and out, I believe I'm the 3rd owner and I have all the records that came with the car.
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Guards Red, Air Conditioning, Alpine CD, New Drilled Disks, 63,000 Miles, Exceptional Condition
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Price: 31,500

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Miles: 43,000

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Coupe,blk/blk,Mint,43,000mi,Prof. maintained,No winter,Garage kept&covered,No chip/or track,Non-smoker,Limited slip,Sunroof,Full pwr,Upgraded 17" Cup Wheels w/Gold Crest,Pics available by request,$31,500
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Slightly mod., B&B exhaust, new AC, low miles, well maintained, no rust


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Price: 24,900

Year: 1991

Model: Carrera 2 - Tip

Miles: 66,000

Body Type: Coupe

Color (Exterior): Red

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Loaded C2 with sunroof, garaged and covered, NO LEAKS, Kennwood theft resistant flip-face in dash CD, stock rotors but slotted and pagid racing pads, lowered 2" in front and 1.5" rear with eibach springs, cup sway bars, Koni adj gas shocks, 3.8 RSR fiberglass wing with adj. carbon upper., B&B stainless exhaust. Could easily be a daily driver. Set of 18" Fikse's (see pic) available for an extra $2K. All stock suspension and exhaust parts go with car. Very slight paint and body blemishes on this 12 year old car but still a looker.
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Price: 34,000

Year: 1991

Model: Carrera 4 Cabriolet

Miles: 32000

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Color (Exterior): Grand Prix White

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Hard to believe condition. Fully optioned. Black top. 17" wheels from a 1999 Carrera. Exterior and interior is like new. Leather treated regularly, flawless condition. Recently serviced for 30,000 miles with no leaks found. Garaged, hand washed and waxed it's whole life. Email me with questions or pics...better yet, come over to appreciate.
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Those listed above are from the PCA Mart, which I think is the same as the classifieds? sorry about the cut n' paste, its late I'm lazy, shoot me.

91C2wrencher,

You are a Porsche (964) enthusiast of the highest calber. I'm going to send Jaime the info. If one of thes works out, we'll be sending you an appropriate thank you gift.

Honestly, I appreciate it. Off to make some weekend phone calls...

David

Happy hunting! Uhmm, appropriate gift? Set of big reds?, GHL headers?, LWF and close ratio tranny?, Trip to Vegas?.... how about nothing more than letting me know if you find "That car". FWIW, It seems that most of asking prices on those are at least a little on the high side, some more than others. although that black on black C2 (which I'm partial to ;-),) seemed only a little high, I might be able to get $27K for mine..maybe