How do I tell if my SC is a Euro or ROW?

[ghamilton]

Bought my 82 SC last fall. Have all the orig records from factory pickup in Stuttgart.
Owner kept in Germany-Brussels for about 4 years and then imported it to CA. It has the special emissions sticker on the door sill.

Car has been de-smogged, no cat since SC and MA are exempt.

So what differenciates the two models and how do I determine what I have?

Thanks

[pete3799]

Serial number will tell you.

[cbush]

Does it wear black and have an affinity for Art history?

[deathpunk dan]

the vin will tell you. IIRC RoW models have WPOZZZ in the vin.

Skinny rear bumper pads.

[equality72521]

Vin

[Va_Powerman]

and I believe COO indicates Germany, C23 Belgium.

Originally Posted by deathpunk dan

the vin will tell you. IIRC RoW models have WPOZZZ in the vin.

Skinny rear bumper pads.

[pete3799]

Check it here
Simon's Porsche 911 SC Site

[Drisump]

Originally Posted by cbush

Does it wear black and have an affinity for Art history?

Good one!

[Oh Haha]

Originally Posted by deathpunk dan

the vin will tell you. IIRC RoW models have WPOZZZ in the vin.

Skinny rear bumper pads.

Correct.

[sundevil64]

My RoW has the big bumper pads.

Another tip is the inside of the light (stop and signal) are painted white versus silver. Obviously, the VIN will be the key indicator.

[nesslar]

I didn't know there was a diff. between "Euro" and "ROW"; aren't they the same aminal? ...as opposed to USA....just askin'.................

[Ramathorn]

Originally Posted by pete3799

Check it here
Simon's Porsche 911 SC Site

Agreed. Most of the little visual things can just be bought and swapped i.e. rear bumper pads, front side indicators, front bumper indicator blanks, ride height, ect.

[Oh Haha]

Originally Posted by nesslar

I didn't know there was a diff. between "Euro" and "ROW"; aren't they the same aminal? ...as opposed to USA....just askin'.................

Typically, they were tagged as US/Canada, Japan, and RestOftheWorld. I think the term 'Euro" was coined by enthusiasts at some point.

The serial # is the only definitive way to know.

[Canada Kev]

There are differences between some of the RoW cars from different markets. Italy was different than Germany which was different from Finland, etc. Usually it's small little things like reflectors, rear fog lights, and stuff like that. For example, mine has the G50/02 transmission (Swiss market) which has different ratios than the G50/00 that most RoW cars have.

RoW would include places like South Africa and others, while Euro is, well, Europe. They have become synonymous, though, in most people's minds.

Another thing is that RoW cars in my experience don't have the VIN plate mounted to the dash or A-pillar. Look in the frunk on the passenger side (may be different in RHD cars) for the data plate. WPOZZZ as the first six digits of the VIN = ROW.

[Drisump]

Originally Posted by Oh Haha

Typically, they were tagged as US/Canada, Japan, and RestOftheWorld. I think the term 'Euro" was coined by enthusiasts at some point.

The serial # is the only definitive way to know.

The Aussie cars were also detuned like the US,Canadian,Japanese were. So the term "Euro" simply describes the fully tuned variety.....even if it was originally spec'd for Dubai. I believe all non-USA/Canadian cars started the serial # with WPOZZZ, even the Japanese and Aussie spec. Cheers

[rootmatt]

Originally Posted by Drisump

The Aussie cars were also detuned like the US,Canadian,Japanese were. So the term "Euro" simply describes the fully tuned variety.....even if it was originally spec'd for Dubai.

Not so or at least not for all years. My '82 SC ROW was Aussie delivered with the full 204HP motor. Don't know about others.

Matt

[Drisump]

Originally Posted by rootmatt

Not so or at least not for all years. My '82 SC ROW was Aussie delivered with the full 204HP motor. Don't know about others.

Matt

Sorry sir, I have read that the OZ variation of the 3.2 (not the SC) was the same state of tune as in the US.... Japan and Canada. I guess Australian emission standards were tightened up to match the others after the SC. Like Syzygy says, as part of the serial #, Porsche has placed a number to describe the country which market that the car was spec'd. Cheers

[Wil Ferch]

Jeepers this shouldn't be so hard.....

First of all, someone here ( Nesslar?) posted correctly...that it seems your question is whether you have a US-spec ( or one of many other "country" spec) cars....or a ROW ( rest-of-world ) car. Not whether you have a Euro or ROW car, as oftentimes they are the same thing.

VIN alone won't help without some cautionary notes given , as some folks gravitate right to the trunk floor area and *think* they are looking at VIN.....when it is only a VIN for pre-80 cars. It is a build number, or "chassis number" thereafter ( for all cars) ...yet it CAN be a VIN for Euro cars. Gets confusing. All post-80's cars will have a trunk floor chassis number with a ZZZ in the middle.....won't mean its a Euro car as US-spec cars will also have the ZZZ there. ( But not on the windshield post or door jamb....where the TRUE VIN is..and where there will be *NO* ZZZ in the VIN if it is truly a US-spec car). So .....what syzygy says [ " Look in the frunk on the passenger side (may be different in RHD cars) for the data plate. WPOZZZ as the first six digits of the VIN = ROW..] .... is not 100% correct for the post-80 cars, as ALL cars will show ZZZ at THAT location. Even US spec cars.


Here's a check. For 1982 *model year*, the ROW engine type was 930/10. For Japan it was 930/16. For USA it was 930/17.

Check alongside the fan support on the topside/flat portion of the engine immediately alongside....to see such "engine type" numbers. There are some similar indicators for chassis numbers...but since chassis numbers and VIN numbers can be so easily confused, the engine type should be a quicker and more certain indicator.

[Wil Ferch]

Engine "type" number can be found here--> see post # 7 within. The serial number shown can be the front face of the vertical fan support, like shown in post #7...or "around the corner" on the SIDE of the same vertcal post.

911 engine codes

[Wil Ferch]

Here are pics of my recent US-spec 85 Carrera. Three pics, windshield VIN, door jamb VIN, trunk floor "Chassis number" ( not VIN)....may need to enlarge trunk pic to see this better ( WPOZZZ ...... )