How do I tell if my SC is a Euro or ROW?

[sundevil64]

A little off topic, but is that a "cut off" switch there? I like it.

Originally Posted by Wil Ferch

Here are pics of my recent US-spec 85 Carrera. Three pics, windshield VIN, door jamb VIN, trunk floor "Chassis number" ( not VIN)....may need to enlarge trunk pic to see this better ( WPOZZZ ...... )

[Wil Ferch]

If you mean the O/1 switch?....that's an on-off switch for the trunk light.....for example, when you keep the lid open and don't want to drain the battery.....you know, like most modern cars have.... but is a head-scratcher for electrically-challenged Porsche to include ....

[Canada Kev]

Will, you are undoubtedly correct. I've never really paid any attention to the actual numbers on pictures of people's data tags. I can only rely on the ones I have intimate knowledge of (my car). I guess that during assembly, the factory needed a number to identify the cars. In earlier stages of construction, perhaps they didn't yet know the ultimate destination of the car and the final complete VIN that would change depending on where the car was to be delivered. Maybe, only speculating here...

On yours, what are the numbers on the hood mounted stick on option code tag? Are they the ones with the chassis number or your VIN?

Regardless of all this, except for earlier examples (starting from when I don't know) a North American car will have the vin mounted on the A-pillar and in the door jam. My Euro ROW doesn't have these, but has a stamped metal data plate mounted to the inside of the trunk on the passenger inner fender. The option code sticker on the hood also shows the correct VIN. There is another number stamped somewhere in the trunk area, I believe, but I don't remember where off hand.

[Wil Ferch]

Kevin(syzygy) says.... " I guess that during assembly, the factory needed a number to identify the cars. In earlier stages of construction, perhaps they didn't yet know the ultimate destination of the car and the final complete VIN that would change depending on where the car was to be delivered. Maybe, only speculating here..."

Answer...absolutely true.

My paper tag on the underside of the trunk lid shows the proper VIN.

[chayanin]

Thank you for such an informative info. I recently bought a US spec car here in Thailand. Dealer here have no knowledge to differentiate btw Chassis No. and VIN No. Of my car maybe because here both numbers have ZZZ on 4th 5th and 6th digits and 9th digits is usually the same, where as US spec from what I learnt here the VIN number Is slightly different on the above mentioned digits.

Is there a way for me to prove to dealer here that my car is clean and chassis number with WPOZZZ93ZGS050111 is correct and my VIN number WPOJB0931GS050111 is also correct and they are different like that from the factory. Is there a contact person I could write to in official Porsche of North America to verify this for me as of now the dealer here is reluctant to restore my car. Your advise would be very much appreciated.

[Frosticles]

Mine has one big difference..................

Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera Sport wheel & dash by Kevin Frost, on Flickr

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by chayanin

Thank you for such an informative info. I recently bought a US spec car here in Thailand. Dealer here have no knowledge to differentiate btw Chassis No. and VIN No. Of my car maybe because here both numbers have ZZZ on 4th 5th and 6th digits and 9th digits is usually the same, where as US spec from what I learnt here the VIN number Is slightly different on the above mentioned digits.

Is there a way for me to prove to dealer here that my car is clean and chassis number with WPOZZZ93ZGS050111 is correct and my VIN number WPOJB0931GS050111 is also correct and they are different like that from the factory. Is there a contact person I could write to in official Porsche of North America to verify this for me as of now the dealer here is reluctant to restore my car. Your advise would be very much appreciated...

Chayanin,

From the Red book the "JB0" (and the "0" in the 12th position) in your VIN id your car as a 1986 Turbo US (WPOJB0931GS050111)

J: Turbo Coupe
B: US Engine
O: Active Restraint (safety equipment)

7, 8 and 12th position): Porsche Model Type 930

The 1 in the 9th position in the VIN is a test digit for US & Canadian car (Z for RoW cars also found on the chassis # of all cars)

The matching engine would be type 930/68

From Bruce Henderson book:

That page (especially the last sentence in the red box) should convince anyone that work in this field but sometime it does not...

Good luck,

JJ

https://www.amazon.com/Porsche-911-Red-Book-Specifications/dp/0760347603/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474553118&sr=8-1&keywords=porsche+red+book

https://www.amazon.com/Porsche-911-Performance-Handbook-1963-1998/dp/0760331804/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474553199&sr=8-1&keywords=bruce+anderson

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[javadog]

Originally Posted by chayanin

Is there a way for me to prove to dealer here that my car is clean and chassis number with WPOZZZ93ZGS050111 is correct and my VIN number WPOJB0931GS050111 is also correct and they are different like that from the factory. Is there a contact person I could write to in official Porsche of North America to verify this for me as of now the dealer here is reluctant to restore my car. Your advise would be very much appreciated

Your dealer doesn't have adequately knowledgable staff. The VIN number clearly shows that you own a US car, as the US, Canadian and ROW cars had separate VIN number sequences and they can look in the "V-pages" section of the PET software for the relevant numbers.

The difference in the stamped VIN numbers was addressed in a factory bulletin decades ago.

My suggestion would be to tell them to contact Porsche through their normal channels and ask these questions themselves. It's their job to have all of the asnwers, or know where to get them. You shouldn't have to be the one to tell them how to do their job.

JR

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Not to highjack here, but Will I am dying to know what the switch on the upper left corner of the black shroud is for?

[notfarnow]

Visually, the ROW cars typically have side marker lights on the front fenders, and a red "fog" light under the rear bumper on the left. My ROW '81 SC does anyway

And like others have pointed out, 930/10 engine. That's the fun part

[Reiver]

Motor ID...if it is stamped as a 64DXXXX (x's are the serial number) it is a US 930-16 180 hp.

if stamped 63Dxxxx it is the 930-10 204hp ROW

[tcar]

Originally Posted by deathpunk dan

the vin will tell you. IIRC RoW models have WPOZZZ in the vin.

Skinny rear bumper pads.

It's WP0ZZZ (Zero, not Oh).

Not true for the first 3 years of the SC... only 81 and later.

BTW, the '74 (not an SC, I know) had the skinny rear bumper pads in the US.

[traknut1]

Indeed

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by traknut1

Indeed

Hello and welcome to the forum.

You'll have to tell us more about yourself.

[ncoder]

Originally Posted by Oh Haha

Typically, they were tagged as US/Canada, Japan, and RestOftheWorld. I think the term 'Euro" was coined by enthusiasts at some point.

I see the "Europe" term used in the factory manuals.


The other pages show "USA + Japan" and "California"

[ncoder]

Originally Posted by Wil Ferch

Here's a check. For 1982 *model year*, the ROW engine type was 930/10. For Japan it was 930/16. For USA it was 930/17.

Engine codes:
This is what i got from my the 911 turbo factory manual



And my engine code sticker shows 93068-68G

So i'm just confused.

[ncoder]

Ah, there's more:



Although I still don't see my /68

[rattlsnak]

The OP has logged in for over 5 years.. lol.

[Schulisco]

Originally Posted by ncoder

Ah, there's more:



Although I still don't see my /68

Refer to
https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-911-engine-numbers-1965-1989/

They got the information out of the Porsche original parts catalogue, the V-pages in the front part of it: Porsche listed the VIN, engine and gearbox numbers related to the model years. Saying there's a bidirectional relation between model year vin, engine and gearbox number and you can decode the model year from the number too.

https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessoriesandservices/classic/originalpartscatalogue/#911

Model Region Enginecode MY Code Enginenumber Tech. Displ Power
911 TURBO (USA) 930/68 1986 G 68G 00001>02000 6ZYL/3.3L 3.3L 209 kW 281 hp
911 TURBO (USA) 930/68 1987 H 68H 00001>05000 6ZYL/3.3L 3.3L 210 kW 282 hp
911 TURBO (USA) 930/68 1988 J 68J 00001>05000 6ZYL/3.3L 3.3L 210 kW 282 hp
911 TURBO (USA/CDN) 930/68 1989 K 68K 00001>05000 6ZYL/3.3L 3.3L 210 kW 282 hp

So your 68G is a MY1986 930 US spec engine.