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pmax 03-09-2025 04:27 PM

915 Clutch Helper "Omega" Spring Function
 
Why did Porsche add the helper "omega" spring to the 915 clutch mechanism ?

If it is to reduce clutch effort, as far as I can tell, that remains the same sprung or unsprung though the pickup point is much lower, arguably better in fact, in the latter case.

porschedude996 03-09-2025 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 12425508)
Why did Porsche add the helper "omega" spring to the 915 clutch mechanism ?

If it is to reduce clutch effort, as far as I can tell, that remains the same sprung or unsprung though the pickup point is much lower, arguably better in fact, in the latter case.

I think the spring helps lessen the peddle effort when first pushing the peddle in.

Fab64 03-09-2025 09:01 PM

I don't know what it is officially designed to do. However, that spring was broken when I bought my '84 Carrera. After I had it replaced, the clutch did seem to work a bit more smoothly, especially when first pushing it in - as porschedude said, above.

walt 03-10-2025 03:21 AM

It does give the pedal a snap action feel to it when first depressed.

pmax 03-10-2025 12:54 PM

So, a power mechanism which adds more force to the arms during the initial travel from sprung to unsprung.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab64 (Post 12425606)
I don't know what it is officially designed to do. However, that spring was broken when I bought my '84 Carrera. After I had it replaced, the clutch did seem to work a bit more smoothly, especially when first pushing it in - as porschedude said, above.

Curious, by smoother, do you mean easier ?

The reason I ask is that snap action leads to a non-linear feel in the sense that the foot feels the spring action first then the resistance of the short arm as it moves the TOB is the way I understand it.

eastbay 03-11-2025 05:50 PM

Drive a 75 or older car and you will understand. I've considered converting my old 74.

pmax 03-11-2025 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eastbay (Post 12426826)
Drive a 75 or older car and you will understand. I've considered converting my old 74.

The earlier simpler mechanisms.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1742248262.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1741751205.jpg

The later 915 standard clutch lever install with the dead space introduced by the two arm omega spring setup
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1741751218.jpg
Sorry about the "dirty" pic, not mine, a good example being harder to find that I expected.

In the later 915s there's a spring on the short arm in tension which preloads the TOB fork whereas the earlier variant's all in the clutch cable. Is the cable tension much higher in the latter ? The omega spring assists in the initiation of the clutch pedal movement but how much does it help if at all beyond that phase ? I believe by the time the omega reaches the "red" position, it is largely unsprung. And arguably the leverage of the later version has been lengthened somewhat so that helps.

So I suppose the combination of all these factors contribute to easier clutching. In my SC, the omega spring doesn't seem to do much for this purpose.

Threads of interest.
Examples of the clutch lever backdate, the advantages being elimination of the dead space caused by the 1/1.2mm gap contributing to a more direct linear feel in addition to simplifying the mechanism.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1137649-930-clutch-throw-out-lever-helper-spring-issue.html#post12426236
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1175065-clutch-adjustment-help.html#post12428076
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1163942-what-can-you-tell-me-about-my-engine.html#post12278738
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/1178995-clutch-positioning-lever-broken-spring-attachment-2.html
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/417364-convert-early-915-clutch-arm.html#post4033069

Omega snap facilitates cable tensioning which allows long arm to "float".


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