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Mikkel 07-04-2003 03:25 AM

New GT3 RS - Retro style
 
Not sure if I really like this? What do you think?


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/996-02GT3RSa.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/996-02GT3RSb.jpg

Mikkel 07-04-2003 03:29 AM

Only available in white with a choice between red or blue "styling". Carbon fibre front lid and rear spoiler. Six point harness, fire extinguisher and a roll cage should be standard.


It's nice in white, but I think I could live without the "styling". Still I'm curious how the styling would look in black? Someone here with good photoshop skills ? :D

layzee 07-04-2003 04:16 AM

Without the side script it would be v.cool. I even like the red wheels.

MarkP 07-04-2003 04:56 AM

Porsche AG must LOVE that in the press photos used by Autoweek (both online and in print) the red turned out hot pink!

http://www.autoweek.com/images_conte...07n-GT3RS2.jpg

http://www.autoweek.com/weekart/2003...07n-GT3RS3.jpg

Schrup 07-04-2003 05:02 AM

I love it . I'm replacing the red GT3 on my desktop with it. I think it is worthy of the RS. Maybe I can afford one in 15 or 20 years, but I doubt it.

Elombard 07-04-2003 05:20 AM

I wonder how it is coming to the US? I read somewhere that DOT will not allow a roll cage from the factory??? (I guess it might interfere with the air bags :-))

Maybe its coming as a race car only, like the lotus.

Emission 07-04-2003 10:11 AM

I like it.

Yargk 07-04-2003 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elombard
I wonder how it is coming to the US? I read somewhere that DOT will not allow a roll cage from the factory??? (I guess it might interfere with the air bags :-))

Maybe its coming as a race car only, like the lotus.

No US cars :mad:

Axeman 07-04-2003 02:39 PM

I like it...way better than the regular 996 turdy look, IMHO!

CarreraS2 07-04-2003 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yargk
No US cars :mad:
According to this week's AutoWeek, it will be sent to the U.S.

"Current production is slated for the final 3 months of 2003, with 300 units being made and an undisclosed amount earmarked for the States."

"Porsche plans to finish all cars in white, with decals and wheels in red or blue. Prices will fall somewhere north of the GTs's $99,900 tag."

It will be less than 3000 lbs, a lightweight by modern car standards.


I like it a lot, even with the stripes.

If I had one, though, I'd store the rear wing in the attic and replace it with something reminscent of the ducktail. The rear wing is probably a novelty in most parts of the country, but not where I live. The UCI (Univ. of Cal., Irvine) parking lot that I drive by every day has wings like that by the bucketload.

Elombard 07-04-2003 05:42 PM

Ya know I was thinking the same thing about the wing. I was at the dealer the other day and noticed that these wings are being fitted to alot of 996s and they look FG. I would like to take a FG copy and cut the big "T" off and fill it. Then it would be almost like a little duck tail!! I dont think the down force imbalance would hurt me because I cant imagine I would see north of 80 MPH very often :-))

Bill Douglas 07-04-2003 06:16 PM

Ha, they have tried to make it look like the '89 Club sport.

Yargk 07-04-2003 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
According to this week's AutoWeek, it will be sent to the U.S.

"Current production is slated for the final 3 months of 2003, with 300 units being made and an undisclosed amount earmarked for the States."
.

I stand corrected. I am still skeptical though. I mean, why get the proper GT3 seats DOT approved, as well as the rear window, and roll cage for a 300 car run when they didn't even get the proper seats DOT approved for the original 1000 (about) car GT3 run, or previously for the GT2? Are we going to get a watered down RS??

EDIT:

I checked AutoWeek.com and I quote:

"Current production is slated for the final three months of 2003, with 300 units being made, but the vehicle will not be available for the States . Porsche plans to finish all cars in white, with decals and wheels in either red or blue. Prices will fall somewhere north of the GT3’s $99,900 tag. "

BTW: I love duck tails, but this car is a modern one meant to kick butt, just like the old ones did in their day, it needs proper aerodynamics to do it on a race track, and that tail is very functional.

exc911ence 07-04-2003 08:26 PM

I'm just learning Photoshop (slowly), but here's a quick Black GT3RS for you:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...6-02GT3RSa.jpg

exc911ence 07-04-2003 08:27 PM

Man, that looks terrible... how embarrassing. :(

Chuck Grieb 07-04-2003 09:34 PM

How's this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/BlackGT3RS.jpg

1fastredsc 07-04-2003 09:37 PM

Good looking car, styling and all, but with white, i think the blue would look better. Now to have guards red with black graphics would be hella nice.

CarreraS2 07-04-2003 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yargk
I stand corrected. I am still skeptical though. I mean, why get the proper GT3 seats DOT approved, as well as the rear window, and roll cage for a 300 car run when they didn't even get the proper seats DOT approved for the original 1000 (about) car GT3 run, or previously for the GT2? Are we going to get a watered down RS??

EDIT:

I checked AutoWeek.com and I quote:

"Current production is slated for the final three months of 2003, with 300 units being made, but the vehicle will not be available for the States . Porsche plans to finish all cars in white, with decals and wheels in either red or blue. Prices will fall somewhere north of the GT3’s $99,900 tag. "

BTW: I love duck tails, but this car is a modern one meant to kick butt, just like the old ones did in their day, it needs proper aerodynamics to do it on a race track, and that tail is very functional.

Interesting. AutoWeek online disagrees with the AutoWeek hard copy magazine!

(I checked the article again, and I typed it correctly).

Sounds like there will be a "correction" piece in next week's mag.

kellzey 07-04-2003 10:44 PM

Don't like it one bit. The wheels look too rice!

Give me one for free and I might reconsider.

Mikkel 07-05-2003 02:39 AM

Thanks for the modified picture. Only I was thinking how it might look - still in white - with black script. :)


BTW how on earth can this car not be legal in the USA? I just don't get it? If it lives up to the pollution rules and crash standards then why not? It's perfectly streetable.

Because of a roll cage? Come on that only makes it safer.

plain fan 07-05-2003 06:32 AM

Mikkel, in America just because it is safer doesn't mean we get it.
:rolleyes:
Some people work under the impression that they know what is "good" for us whether we like it or not. :mad:

Mikkel 07-05-2003 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by plain fan
Some people work under the impression that they know what is "good" for us whether we like it or not. :mad:
Oh well I understand. We have that kind of people here also :(

targa911man 07-05-2003 06:51 AM

Does it come with chopsticks?

Jim Richards 07-05-2003 07:12 AM

Soy, that's pretty funny, Dan.

exc911ence 07-05-2003 09:47 AM

OH! White car with black stripes... that's way easier:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...-02GT3RSa2.jpg

Sort of reminds me of my buddies 74 Carrera:

http://gallery.rennlist.com/albums/albuo14/DSCF0044.jpg

:D

Mikkel 07-05-2003 12:04 PM

Thanks. Exactly what I had in mind. Looks kind of race car like. Better than red in my opinion. Black wheels on a white car has a certain "effect" :)

exc911ence 07-06-2003 09:51 AM

I agree. There's no nicer look than the classic black centered Fuchs on a white car.

nostatic 07-06-2003 09:53 AM

Like the front valence on the turbo (and Cayenne even) a lot better.

Mikkel 07-06-2003 11:21 AM

Nostatic

Do you prefer the Turbo front on 996s? The big black nostrils???

Wow I'm the opposite. No black grill for me please :) A GT2, or GT3 for that matter, has a much nicer front end than a Turbo in my opinion. I have gotten used to the Cayenne by now, but I still don't like how the whole front end is one big air intake.

Yargk 07-06-2003 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikkel


BTW how on earth can this car not be legal in the USA? I just don't get it? If it lives up to the pollution rules and crash standards then why not? It's perfectly streetable.

Because of a roll cage? Come on that only makes it safer.

I was thinking the same thing, "why not legal?" Then someone put it to me this way. Lets take a look at the seats that were supposed to be on the GT3 and GT2 and didn't make it to the states. They are FIA approved, but that doesn't matter we need to please DOT. It's simply that if Porsche wants to import these cars, they need to retest with these seats and the production numbers don't warrant the hassle. Also the seat belts take a different route through these seats which is again, not dangerous, but must be tested. The "must be retested, it's not worth it problem" seems to be the most common reason. However, I gather from what I've heard, that things like the plastic rear window and rollcage are not legal, no matter what. It's interesting since you see jeeps running around all the time with bars right next the occupants heads.

BTW, I like the GT3 and GT2 front ends better as well. I think the turbo front it is okay, and it has a great muscular look to it. However, to me, it also makes the car look fat, this may be because it actually does this, or simply because I think of the turbo as fat compared to the GT2/GT3 and have grown to associate that weakness with the look of the car.

plain fan 07-06-2003 05:10 PM

Yeah and Jeeps run around w/o the doors as well! Come on a 5pt harness keeps you inside the car while you could fly out in a jeep w/o doors.

nostatic 07-06-2003 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikkel
Nostatic

Do you prefer the Turbo front on 996s? The big black nostrils???

Yup...that's the one. The nostrils are part of it, but all the little tweaks they do to the turbo make it look much better to my eyes than a regular 996.

I suppose there are those that feel that way about *all* turbo years, but I think the straight 996 coupe looks like a jelly bean, whereas the 996 turbo looks more like a 911. The GT3 is somewhere inbetween to my eyes...I'd have to see it in person though.

nostatic 07-06-2003 06:19 PM

996
http://www3.us.porsche.com/english/u.../intro_ani.gif

turbo
http://www3.us.porsche.com/english/u...intro_foto.jpg

http://www3.us.porsche.com/english/u...der/card27.gif

gt3
http://www3.us.porsche.com/english/u...intro_foto.jpg

c4s
http://www3.us.porsche.com/english/u...ntro_foto1.jpg

1fastredsc 07-06-2003 06:25 PM

GT3 has the nicest front end by far. Actually it has the best body work too, i like the rockers.

nostatic 07-06-2003 06:31 PM

I feel exactly the opposite. I think the rockers and front end have too many angles/edges, and looks like they've been cribbing from the new BMWs.

But, that's why they make different cars for different people.

Emission 07-06-2003 11:37 PM

I like the GT3 the best also (but, then again, I've got a lot of BMW in my blood - and one in my garage).

Deeks 07-07-2003 06:27 AM

Quote:

Are we going to get a watered down RS??
Is it true that the RS is going to be four wheel drive ?? If so, then I reckon that it's inevitable it'll be a watered down experience.

... and considering the fact that it will weigh almost 1400KG I'm not sure if it deserves the legendary "RS" name.

Maybe Clubsport would have been more appropriate ?

Mikkel 07-07-2003 01:08 PM

I can't possibly imagine the GT3 RS in a 4WD version. They aim for a weight of 1225Kg or so (can't remember). That's what a Carrera 3,2 weighs remember!

Deeks 07-08-2003 02:08 AM

OK, I have my copy of Auto Express in front of me here. Here's the Official press release :

The GT3-RS will weigh 1360KG with a full tank of fuel (50kg less than the standard GT3)

Performance will be around 190mph top speed. 0-62mph in 4.4 and 0-124mph in 14 seconds. It has a 3.6 litre flat six putting out 381bhp (61bhp more than standard Carrera) and revs to a dizzy 8,200rpm. A new intake has been added under the rear wing to increase air flow to the engine at high speeds.

It seems I was wrong about it having four wheel drive. It will have a close ratio six speed gearbox feeding power to the rear wheels through a light-weight flywheel.

Although fully road legal (in the UK) the car will be produced in accordance with international GT rules for motorsport and will therefore come with a full roll cage. The main competition will be the Ferrari Challenge Stradale, though at around £85,000 (in the UK) the GT3-RS will undercut the Stradale (£133,000) by a long way.

Although down on power by 81bhp, the GT3-RS is set to smash the GT2 lap time around the Nurburgring, due to improved handling and light weight.

Time for a bit of Ferrari bashing don't you agree .... :D

Mikkel 07-08-2003 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deeks
.

Time for a bit of Ferrari bashing don't you agree .... :D


Unfortunately Ferrari has the 360 Challenge Stradale:

Weight: 1180Kg.
425HP
Carbon fibre brakes, 19 inch wheels, racing prepared suspension.


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