Door lock cylinder "gaskets"

[toddu]

I've dissasembled my door handles to have them powder coated.

There is a "gasket" (C shaped rubber) that sits where the lock cylinder meets the internal guts.

Needless to say, they are brittle and broke. Has anyone used something as an alternative? I don't see a part number in PET. They appear to maybe not serve a big purpose since they are not a complete circle. Just leave 'em out and don't worry about it?

Todd

[86 911 Targa]

Todd,

Here is a diagram of the door handle on our '86.

If compatible to your '81 is the part you are looking for
a base bracket?

Good luck,


Gerry

[porschenut]

Gerry, the part he is talking about is not called out in the diagram you posted. It's a thin rubber seal that encircles the lock cylinder (#2 in the pic) and mates up against the hole in the door handle to keep water and debris away from the lock cylinder.

Todd, there is no part number and you can't replace them. When new, they are a closed circle but they usually shrink and separate over time. As long as they aren't in tatters you can just clean them up and reuse them.

[toddu]

They actually just crumbled to bits when they came out.

Perhaps I'll see if I can find some usable 0 rings or something.

Thanks Dave.

Todd

[86 911 Targa]

Stoddart Porsche @ 1-440-951-1040 carries a lot
of vintage parts.

Ask for Paul.

Good luck,

Gerry

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1986 Targa-Factory Delivery.

[Fuchs915]

VW part, no. 1H0-837-227 - Try these. I have just put a couple on my '84 and they are a perfect fit. The part number above relates to a 90's era Golf IIRC.

Cheers

Kevin

[ILXLR8]

As Gerry suggested part# sic-531-061-00

[porterdog]

Originally Posted by Fuchs915

VW part, no. 1H0-837-227 - Try these. I have just put a couple on my '84 and they are a perfect fit. The part number above relates to a 90's era Golf IIRC.

Well done! Thanks.

[frankc]

I am re-keying the door locks on my '73, and wanted to replace the lock cylinder sealing ring. The replacement seal that both Stoddard and Sierra Madre carry is listed as applying only to 65-69.

http://www.*************/911-1965-75/body-and-body-trim/door-trim/sic-531-061-00-seal-lock-cylinder.html

Has anyone tried this seal in a later style door handle?

On the other hand, the VW part number mentioned above looks very similar in shape and material to the original 911 seal. They are cheap enough that I'll probably just order two of them to see if they fit. Here is a picture of the VW seal I found on the ECS site:

Search Washer - 1H0837227 - WASHER - ES#302924

[frankc]

Someone from the forum recently asked me about these sealing rings, so I wanted to post a link here to a thread over on the 911SRegistry site about this topic:

https://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?108001-70-Door-Lock-seal

[WMichelsen]

I'm cleaning my door locks on my '87, and the degradable parts have ... degraded.

I've investigated many links and substitute parts posted. The VW part, even though it's N/A, still seems to be get-able. The Stoddard part (from our host) is only listed for 65-69, but also doesn't look correct. I have found few actual reported results.

SIC-531-061-00 : https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/SIC53106100.htm
VW part #1H0837227

1. Are there better verified replacement gasket/seal/o-rings out there? Specifically for G-body (if different than early models).
2. Is there another o-ring toward the inner sleeve? Or is that just hardened gunk?

[evan9eleven]

I recently ordered both the Stoddard metal versions, which did not work at all, then the VW plastic ones, part # 1H0-837-227. The VW parts were perfect and basically identical to the originals.

[WMichelsen]

Evan, Thanks for the confirmation.

Well, those VW parts #1H0-837-227 are not so available as I thought. I ended up ordering a couple off eBay... from Latvia... for $12ea (crazy).

(note: Be careful on eBay. Some vendors list items with reasonable or low prices, then super crazy shipping. I've seen similar behavior on Amazon. One listing had these for $8 ea.... with $190 shipping!!)

I still have a question about what's filling the 2 slots.
Did I remove old o-rings? Or, is it dried hard gunk? I can't tell. I have not seen any references in any threads about them.
If they are actual o-rings, what was their purpose? I'm not sure if I should try to find substitutes. Probably just leave them open.

[frankc]

I ran out of my inventory of the VW seals (#1H0-837-227) when recently re-keying some locks on my 914. I ordered replacements from a US parts site that stated they were available, but then received an email back from them stating the parts were NLA.

@evan9eleven, where did you order the VW part from?

[wprater]

Running into the same issue with my 964 lock cylinders, I will give the VW parts a shot.

WMichelsen I also had a similar thinner cracked seal. It was around the plastic part. I'll look around for this one as well.

[evan9eleven]

Originally Posted by frankc

I ran out of my inventory of the VW seals (#1H0-837-227) when recently re-keying some locks on my 914. I ordered replacements from a US parts site that stated they were available, but then received an email back from them stating the parts were NLA.

@evan9eleven, where did you order the VW part from?

I got mine from Heritage Parts in the UK:

https://www.heritagepartscentre.com/uk/1h0837227-o-ring-for-exterior-door-lock-barrel.html

[evan9eleven]

Originally Posted by evan9eleven

I recently ordered both the Stoddard metal versions, which did not work at all, then the VW plastic ones, part # 1H0-837-227. The VW parts were perfect and basically identical to the originals.

Here you can see the Stoddard metal version in place on my lock cylinder. When installed, the cylinder bound up such that it was impossible to turn the key. No amount of adjustment or lube would cure the problem. I binned the Stoddard parts and ordered the VW plastic gaskets instead, worked perfectly.

Originally Posted by WMichelsen

Evan, Thanks for the confirmation.


I still have a question about what's filling the 2 slots.
Did I remove old o-rings? Or, is it dried hard gunk? I can't tell. I have not seen any references in any threads about them.
If they are actual o-rings, what was their purpose? I'm not sure if I should try to find substitutes. Probably just leave them open.

My old cylinders didn't have any o-rings in the locations you're asking about, and the new cylinders didn't come with any. (They didn't come with the plastic seal in question either, obviously.) Just one data point, but I didn't consider adding any o-rings there.

A tip: don't use any kind of grease that attracts dust, as that leads to the gunk buildup. I used a dry PTFE spray recommended to me by Keys4Classics.com, worked well. They were amazing on decoding my old, worn keys, and supplying new keys also.


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[frankc]

Originally Posted by evan9eleven

I got mine from Heritage Parts in the UK:

https://www.heritagepartscentre.com/uk/1h0837227-o-ring-for-exterior-door-lock-barrel.html

Thanks for the link. FYI: I went there today to order some of the seals, and their site states they only have one available . I'm not sure if that is their actual inventory, or they are simply trying to ration them due to low inventory and no new supply source.

[evan9eleven]

Site said 3 available a couple days ago, so looks like someone got there first

[Machala]

Makes sense, those little rubber bits always seem to crumble. If they’re not sealing or holding tension, you could probably get away without them, but a small DIY substitute might give extra peace of mind.