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Joe Bob 07-13-2003 05:25 PM

Anyone interested in being a beta tester for the 9eleven motors 3.6 performance chip?
 
Lemme know.....

A Mikey/Ingo production......:eek:

Soon a 3.2 chip nearest you.......

dad911 07-13-2003 06:12 PM

I will if you promise it won't blow my engine.

widebody911 07-13-2003 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dad911
I will if you promise it won't blow my engine.
...or my DME...

Moses 07-13-2003 09:00 PM

What are your plans for the chip?
Idle issues, timing advance?
I'm looking for a more conservative chip that will correct the idle, but leave timing and performance relatively untouched.

k9handler 07-13-2003 09:15 PM

I would give it a go....idle issues fixed would be nice.

ischmitz 07-14-2003 12:35 AM

At this point the chip is only for the 964 DME. The 993 chip is still in the making. The nice thing about this chip is is that it comes with a little switch prewired to select between the stock map (check engine light works and fault codes can be flashed out) and the performance map. One drawback on most performance chips is that the DME knows it has been tampered with. As a result the check engine light is either on all the time or does not work at all.

All you need to do is drill a small hole into the DME cover and mount the switch. You can change maps with the engine off at any time simply by reaching under your drivers seat. Works like a charm.

Ingo

Jack Olsen 07-14-2003 12:57 AM

Two chips in one? What are the changes you map in?

patalive 07-14-2003 01:30 AM

I might very well be interested -

Chuck
93 C2

Joe Bob 07-14-2003 08:10 AM

We would provide a 9 eleven motors performance chip to a volunteer, gratis....it won't blow up your car becuase it has a revlimitter in it.

But if you over rev by blowing a shift, God will not be able to protect you.....

Now, if picked....you must post your impressions....good or bad.

Then we will be offerring a limitted amount of chips to the board for excellent retail pricing. SIGNIFICANTLY less then the others are asking......see, Board membership has it's advantages.....:D

JonT 07-14-2003 08:15 AM

what is the advantage of this chip over any of the other performance chip manufacturers for the 964 3.6? I've got the Autothority chip that's been modded for the LW flywheel and don't have any problems with idle. Not sure what the power gains were--claimed 10 or 15hp I think.

surflvr911sc 07-14-2003 08:57 AM

You know I'm interested, but I need to get my engine first.

ischmitz 07-14-2003 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JonT
what is the advantage of this chip over any of the other performance chip manufacturers for the 964 3.6? I've got the Autothority chip that's been modded for the LW flywheel and don't have any problems with idle. Not sure what the power gains were--claimed 10 or 15hp I think.
The big advantage is that you can select between the stock chip and the performance chip with the flip of a switch. Nice to compare performance gains.

As said before: A performance chip either disables the check engine light or has it on all the time. This is because of the 964 DME's ability to detect aftermarket chips.

When switching to the stock chip you are able to read out fault codes. It allows you to assure you have all sensors working properly.

Ingo

Joe Bob 07-14-2003 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JonT
what is the advantage of this chip over any of the other performance chip manufacturers for the 964 3.6? I've got the Autothority chip that's been modded for the LW flywheel and don't have any problems with idle. Not sure what the power gains were--claimed 10 or 15hp I think.
What Ingo said....AND......

Pricing and seat of the pants changes from California drivers.....

We have reviewed many of the after market chips out there....they seem to tweek here and there....they raise the rev limit. We have obviously done the same.

The limits in the stock chips are mandated by certain agencies for smog, mileage and warranty concerns. The engine is built to take higher limits in a lot of areas.

A stock chip limits your performance, a performance chip sets it free.

We have included a stock configuration in the dual burn chip so that you can compare the differences AND if needed pass smog with the flip of the switch.

Not rocket science, just a better idea.

Moses 07-14-2003 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mikez

Not rocket science, just a better idea.

A dual chip is a great idea. When you get the 993 version ready let me know!

POVI 07-14-2003 09:25 AM

Hi ,

I'll try a beta copy of the 3.6 chip ..

1990 964 motor, b+b exhaust , light weight flywheel and sacks power clutch assy ... in a 1970 rs clone

Joe

Mr9146 07-14-2003 09:53 AM

Obviously you're going to be making your power with the chip by altering air/fuel ratios and timing curves. How many degrees are you going to advance/retard the timing, and how much are you going to richen/lean-out the mixture?

I think the "blowing the motor" comment was directed more at burning a piston due to detonation than actually bouncing the pistons off the heads and bending the valves. (which I've done and it sucks :( ) Over revving a motor with a limiter is not possible on an upshift, but a missed downshift will nuke the bastard no matter what kind of failsafes are in place. (which is how I accomplished my wonderful feat of stupidity :rolleyes: )

My question is whether the chip will affect the stock computer's ability to make the necessary timing/fuel adjustments to compensate for changes in altitude, air temp., and other such variables. The reason the 964s, 993s, etc. are so reliable is that the computer makes all these adjustments on the fly. By altering the timing and fuel maps, will you be setting a new baseline for the system, or will you be overriding the system completely?

tholyoak 07-14-2003 10:01 AM

Ingo

I'm a little confused on your statement about the aftermarket chip and check engine light.
On the first 3.6 conversion I did I had the check engine light hooked up and it was fully functional with an aftermarket Cyntex chip

Todd

Jack Olsen 07-14-2003 10:05 AM

Is it one-chip-fits-all? Meaning, lightweight flywheels need a different approach than the dual-mass ones. How much is the rev limit raised? One other interesting angle on this is that performance chips (as I understand it) are built for slightly higher octane gase (like 93) than is available in California. Switching to the stock setting could reduce the chance of the knock sensor messing with timing with 91 octane gas.

pbs911 07-14-2003 11:46 AM

Me, me, me!

pbs911 07-14-2003 06:30 PM

How about a chip that lowers emissions by adjusting the fuel mixture?


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