Anyone interested in being a beta tester for the 9eleven motors 3.6 performance chip?
 

Lemme know.....

A Mikey/Ingo production......:eek:

Soon a 3.2 chip nearest you.......

I will if you promise it won't blow my engine.

...or my DME...

What are your plans for the chip?
Idle issues, timing advance?
I'm looking for a more conservative chip that will correct the idle, but leave timing and performance relatively untouched.

I would give it a go....idle issues fixed would be nice.

At this point the chip is only for the 964 DME. The 993 chip is still in the making. The nice thing about this chip is is that it comes with a little switch prewired to select between the stock map (check engine light works and fault codes can be flashed out) and the performance map. One drawback on most performance chips is that the DME knows it has been tampered with. As a result the check engine light is either on all the time or does not work at all.

All you need to do is drill a small hole into the DME cover and mount the switch. You can change maps with the engine off at any time simply by reaching under your drivers seat. Works like a charm.

Ingo

Two chips in one? What are the changes you map in?

I might very well be interested -

Chuck
93 C2

We would provide a 9 eleven motors performance chip to a volunteer, gratis....it won't blow up your car becuase it has a revlimitter in it.

But if you over rev by blowing a shift, God will not be able to protect you.....

Now, if picked....you must post your impressions....good or bad.

Then we will be offerring a limitted amount of chips to the board for excellent retail pricing. SIGNIFICANTLY less then the others are asking......see, Board membership has it's advantages.....:D

what is the advantage of this chip over any of the other performance chip manufacturers for the 964 3.6? I've got the Autothority chip that's been modded for the LW flywheel and don't have any problems with idle. Not sure what the power gains were--claimed 10 or 15hp I think.

You know I'm interested, but I need to get my engine first.

The big advantage is that you can select between the stock chip and the performance chip with the flip of a switch. Nice to compare performance gains.

As said before: A performance chip either disables the check engine light or has it on all the time. This is because of the 964 DME's ability to detect aftermarket chips.

When switching to the stock chip you are able to read out fault codes. It allows you to assure you have all sensors working properly.

Ingo

What Ingo said....AND......

Pricing and seat of the pants changes from California drivers.....

We have reviewed many of the after market chips out there....they seem to tweek here and there....they raise the rev limit. We have obviously done the same.

The limits in the stock chips are mandated by certain agencies for smog, mileage and warranty concerns. The engine is built to take higher limits in a lot of areas.

A stock chip limits your performance, a performance chip sets it free.

We have included a stock configuration in the dual burn chip so that you can compare the differences AND if needed pass smog with the flip of the switch.

Not rocket science, just a better idea.

A dual chip is a great idea. When you get the 993 version ready let me know!

Hi ,

I'll try a beta copy of the 3.6 chip ..

1990 964 motor, b+b exhaust , light weight flywheel and sacks power clutch assy ... in a 1970 rs clone

Joe

Obviously you're going to be making your power with the chip by altering air/fuel ratios and timing curves. How many degrees are you going to advance/retard the timing, and how much are you going to richen/lean-out the mixture?

I think the "blowing the motor" comment was directed more at burning a piston due to detonation than actually bouncing the pistons off the heads and bending the valves. (which I've done and it sucks :( ) Over revving a motor with a limiter is not possible on an upshift, but a missed downshift will nuke the bastard no matter what kind of failsafes are in place. (which is how I accomplished my wonderful feat of stupidity :rolleyes: )

My question is whether the chip will affect the stock computer's ability to make the necessary timing/fuel adjustments to compensate for changes in altitude, air temp., and other such variables. The reason the 964s, 993s, etc. are so reliable is that the computer makes all these adjustments on the fly. By altering the timing and fuel maps, will you be setting a new baseline for the system, or will you be overriding the system completely?

Ingo

I'm a little confused on your statement about the aftermarket chip and check engine light.
On the first 3.6 conversion I did I had the check engine light hooked up and it was fully functional with an aftermarket Cyntex chip

Todd

Is it one-chip-fits-all? Meaning, lightweight flywheels need a different approach than the dual-mass ones. How much is the rev limit raised? One other interesting angle on this is that performance chips (as I understand it) are built for slightly higher octane gase (like 93) than is available in California. Switching to the stock setting could reduce the chance of the knock sensor messing with timing with 91 octane gas.

Me, me, me!

How about a chip that lowers emissions by adjusting the fuel mixture?

Requires an engine replacement with a Yugo,,,,,:rolleyes:

I've been thinking of getting a UniChip. It's a piggyback chip which is re-writable, and the initial maps are created by running the car on a dyno and tweaking things in real time. It's a little more expensive, but you end up with a chip that exactly matches your car's wants and needs. If you change anything on the engine, ie intake, exhaust, rebuild, etc, you can re-map the chip.

Mike and Ingo

Keep me in mind when the 993 chip is ready.

Do you supply the octane booster (maybe a case)?
How about a set of new 964 pistons after your chip
damages the others' motors?

If I remember right, you're the guy that couldn't get the 964 to
run properly in the old '74 911. Also, you were asking many
basic DME questions on Rennlist. Given that, you're now attempting
to develop chips? Get real!!!

Loren
'88 3.2.

Wow, there's some attitude, again Loren. Having a bug crawling up your #*&^, hm?

Weren't you the guy that got hushed by Adrian on the Rennlist board for that and had to admit that your expert opinion on the sequential fuel injection topic was wrong after all??

Read here for yourself in case it slipped your mind. BTW: My engine runs perfect in that old car...

I would have to say you are wrong Loren!!!

My car was wired by Ingo, and he completed an entire schematic for the job...no problems at all!! And what is the big deal with asking questions? I am never afraid to ask questions even when I think I know the correct method, so maybe you should get real!

Hmmm, I guess when we have the 3.2 chip ready to be tested we won't bother asking YOU.....
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/finger[1a].gif

Ingo's 74 is NOT old, it's vintage. It runs like a top. He got it to run better after researching a nagging problem that NO ONE on the boards was able to answer.

So pull yer head out of yer a$$ and stop complaining. If you have some constructive criticism that is based on facts, post. If not, STFU.

When you have a 3.2 version, I'm game!

Mike and Ingo

It seems that some people are concerned as to the effect this unkown commodity will have on their engine. Most likely rightly so. Since both you guys have 3.6s in your cars why not invest a couple of hundred in some dyno time to

1) show their is no detonation
2) show the A/F ratio is correct throughout the revolution range

Since I assume that you plan on selling these chips this would seem to provide physical evidence that swapping in your chip isn't going to result in catastrophic damage to the end users motor. In addition since you have the dual chip setup you could easily show the improvements your chip has over the stock maps. Then I'm sure you would have no problem having people test your chips for driveability/seat of the pants testing
Maybe you have already done this and it just hasn't been stated, anyway not meant as criticism just one opinion

Todd

Yup....will be posting that stuff soon. We have run the chip in our cars. So we have risked our rides with the chip of death....8^)

Like I mentioned before, we are not claiming wild hp gains, we are providing a chip that opens up otherwise restrictive governmemt imposed limits. All this for a decent, non bend over price. WITH the added benefit of a benchmark to compare it with. Flip a switch, ya got the stock oem mapping.....no one else
offers that.

We wish to have a tester that is objective and trusted by the board to test it and give an honest opinion. If the chip sucks, we wanna know....but we don't think it sucks it worked as well as and in some cases better than the Ruf and Cyntex chips we tested it against.

The issue wasn't sequential fuel injection. It was whether each
cylinder gets retarded independently on the 964. No one came up
with the answer (not Adrian & many guesses) until I looked it up
in the Porsche manual.

As has been posted, do some testing on your "conversion"
before you ask people to test the chip on their cars. Maybe you
can have Andial do the test for you. I'm sure the Porsche factory
would love to have another U.S. race chip source besides Andial.
Just give Arnold a call. I'm sure he'd love to get your "inputs".

Let's get some data and not damaged engines!

Loren
'88 3.2

I guess reading prior posts was not a prerequisite where you live....wherever YOU live, that seems to be blank in your profile.

We have tested the chip in OUR 3.6 powered conversions. Why would we contact Andial or Porsche AG? We are not looking to get rich on this...only provide a lower cost alternative based on our experiences.

Since you do not have a 3.6 powerplant....save your efforts for the 3.2 chip that we will soon have.

If you would like a tester on the east cost I would volunteer. I have 2 3.6 conversions available one running a cyntex chip with 3.2 heat exchangers and a flowmaster muffler and a second with 993 heat exchangers and a modified dual in single out factory sport muffler currently with a stock chip.

Todd

Yeah, that was the other topic you had wrong from the get-go in your answers. I remember that. I said so and you either didn't read or did not understand prior posts. I do see a pattern here.

Hmmm, I guess when we have the 3.2 chip ready to be tested we'll put a little self-destruction sequence in and ask YOU to test it. I'll chat with Mike about it.....ESAD

Sounds like someone has a chip on their shoulder...

(badump-ting!) Thanks folks, I'm here all week!

Ha Ha Thom!!!

Oh, did I say I want one for the 993? I will pay for it, don't need to be the tester...but am willing to do that as well.

Oh...Ingo
I bet Harald would test a 3.8 chip for you.

I would consider the 3.2 chip. When you get closer on that one let me know and I can give you my engine details.

Lorenfb, hey aren't you that a$$ that runs around the Rennlist and Pelican forums quick to mudsling the knowledge of others in the pursuit of shamelessly self promoting your website? When one of my customers dynoed 245 flywheel hp from his 3.2 with one of my chips, didn't you basically tell him with your 'superior' knowledge how stupid he was because you claim that Porsche's factory hp ratings are rear wheel hp ratings? I'm sorry, did you forget? Well here you go:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?threadid=3390

If you are happy with your stock chip in your '88 then good for you - go back to your world, as you have no personal experience with my chip or any of these guys here. You remind me of a virgin running around proclaiming how sex is overrated because your two friends who did it said it was. The Porsche forums are a gathering of folks for a respectable exchange of ideas and information, and that includes modifications and performance tuning. If you don't like it, then go start your own forum, because your insults shameless plugging are not welcome here or at Rennlist.

All of you chip guys make wild claims, but we never see dyno test
results. You need some "third" party to run the tests and get unbiased
results. Most of your chips are copies of the older chips from the '90s.

It's really a sad situation when you flakes "prey" on the Porsche owners
who get sucked into your claims. I've "seen" many of the chips the second rate chip guys (other than Andial, Ruf, & Dinan) and the
problems they cause. I always have to convert back to a stock chip
to solve many running problems with my Porsche dealers and
independent shops.

I have nothing to gain or lose. You the Porsche owner who uses one
of these second rate chips can lose a lot. Like the saying goes, "Buyer
Beware!". See the many posts here and on Rennlist, when Porsche
owners call for help and generally get no return call or get the
common response, "It's the hot weather causing the pinging.", or
"That's really strange, we've never had any problems with our chip."


Loren
'88 3.2

Listen jerkoff....there are NO wild claims here. We have a modified chip that we want HONEST answers from ....... go away and take yer prozac with ya.

Farginidjut.......BTW, I have requested that the moderator slap ya....or at least make you take a cold shower.