From the HP Junkies to the "Non Believers"

juan ruiz · juan ruiz's Garage

Well Folks, once more I was not going to post this (since must of the population in here are not into Hp

) but the "Heat" continue from members of my camp and close friends, further more I did receive a few e-mails were this "Skeptics" were looking for "Proof" of our claims, so here you have them.

I am aware that this are old news, but for you"Non Believers" here you have it.

juan ruiz · juan ruiz's Garage

juan ruiz · juan ruiz's Garage

grsilvia · 08-31-2003, 04:51 AM

WOW, that's a lot of power.

Gary
90 C2 turbo

lendaddy · 08-31-2003, 09:27 AM

Juan, Very good numbers. But, I think you have a persecution complex or something. Those numbers are great but I can't imagine someone telling you they are impossible. Everytime you post you start it with "to all you nonbelivers/haters/whatever". I just don't see anyone getting on you. Maybe I just missed it, but I read all of your posts (as they are interesting" and I don't remember anyone saying you couldn't get that kind of power. Maybe you are confusing boards or something. Best of luck, and keep the info coming.

juan ruiz · juan ruiz's Garage

lendaddy,

I do respect your opinion, Me having a "persecution complex" I dont think so,I have many bad faults but that one is not one.

I was going to let this one slip but HELL NO!

This is the way for me to pay back some of this ******ers, you see everyone made fun of me,now they have their tails in their rear,we have done what many many people told us that it was impossible.

Regarding the "Power" NOT ONE PERSON in this planet told us that all this was possible with single plug, single turbo with the FACTORY Motronics,further more I have proof of everything we have done and thats the only reason I post them to show people that we are saying the true and if we can do it anyone can DO IT TOO,thats not to mention all the nasty e-mails I receive from time to time when people claim we are a fluke.

Theres some GREAT Guys in here that have support me from the start and they too can chip in this,bottom line is I am the black sheep of this board because I choose to drag my 911 thats the bottom line,maybe now you have a better understanding ,And No Im not confusing boards, I know where I stand.

Heres a few examples DIRECTLY AT ME! from way way back

I really dont understand why people feel they must make some sort of comment when they dont like or approve of something on this board. Hell, If you see Juans post, and don't like what he is saying or doing (and he gives you warning first)

I'm not suffering from a "Mid life crisis", I just think that you belong in a Honda.

1)Juans 911 is oozzing with HP; looks great, but only gets driven hard in a straight line.

2)One liking this maybe associated with "The fast & the Furious" rice-a-roni treat.

First, drag racing is nothing more than motorized bowling. Very little if any driver skill involved, that's why it's so popular with 16 year olds.

And theres a TON more of this,but hey maybe just maybe I do have a "persecution complex"

tabs · 08-31-2003, 03:38 PM

NAW YOU MADE IT ALL UP...ANYBODY CAN MAKE UP THOSE PHONY DOCUMENTS...

speeder · 04:03 PM

Well, I'd have to agree w/ Lendaddy. You show up w/ a chip on your shoulder, then whine when someone knocks it off. The "Honda" comment was mine. When you call anyone who isn't into the (mostly teenage) street drag racing scene a "mid-life crisis" member, what exactly do you expect, Juan?

This is a 911 board, 911s are not drag cars, so therefore: not a lot of drag racing fans here. 911s are great racing cars, but on a road racing course where brute power is next to worthless. The factory always said that HP was the easiest thing to get, (especially w/ turbocharging), but it isn't relevant to winning races past a certain point. The 935 turbo LeMans winning car was dialed in @ ~6-700Hp, they could have made it 900-1000, but it wouldn't have made the car faster. It would have made it blow up, though, which is what I suspect your motor would do if you raced it for minutes or hours instead of seconds.

High peak HP #s are not that impressive to me, (as you might have gathered),

, but high-output, durable race motors are. You can call this "hating" if you want, I could care less, you come around with one goal, to impress. I'm not impressed. And niether would these guys be:http://www.andial.com/ (click on FAQ's).

Be careful out there street racing, homie.

motion · 08-31-2003, 04:11 PM

Personally, I have always found Juan to be humble and congenial with his posts. I for one, am always interested when someone pushes the envelope with real cubic dollars and access to talent on their P-cars. The rest of us are happy with our airboxes and chips... Juan is out there doing extraordinary things with his motor.

Besides, he is from Florida, and there's some pretty whacky ***** going on down there!

Good at ya mate!

Tim Walsh · Tim Walsh's Garage

BAH I'm going to have to chime in and say that 625 RWHP in a 911 using stock motronic, single plugged and single turbo is truely incrdible. I'll admit I'm not much of a turbo fan (now if you went from motronic to MFI..

) but you have to give Juan props one way or another on such an achivement.

Juan, you deserve a big thumbs up for it. I don't give a crap that you "supposedly" can only run a straight line. Your car is still the biggest sleeper of them all. I can't wait til you get up into the 935 HP ranges, 800+ HP.

BlkBird · 08-31-2003, 06:57 PM

Juan,

Kick butt! Don't worry what the skeptics say, if you can get 575HP out of your car - well, you the man!

In fact, anytime you want to offer your expertise as a consultant I'd love to break the 500HP barrier.

350HP930 · 08-31-2003, 07:07 PM

I'll be pleased just to have 400+ at the back wheels.

sewell94 · 07:14 PM

You guys really don't understand how impressive 625 hp from a single plug factory motronic engine is, from what i understand it the highest hp of motor of it nature, i've never seen a another 625 hp motronic carrera. The power isn't all top end, theres a ton of midrange punch there, hell at 3k rpms theres 200hp and 250+ lbs of tq. Not to many 6 cylinders do that. Alot of you guys say that well its only fast from a straight line, thats some BS, its still a Porsche, just with an extra 400 hp

Very few people have a car on this board have a car that could beat juans at the track, In any type of a race. Juans not the only one that drags his 911, I do. i know of 3 or 4 other people that do it in this area also. Its fun, its a car, drive the hell outta it, So why not get big hp and beat put a hurtin the guy in the vette next to you???

speeder · 07:41 PM

623 rear wheel HP is impressive in itself, I'll give him that. No doubt about it, it's a lot of HP. My point in this and previous posts is that HP does NOT= performance. This car is living proof of it. A stock, 200hp Carrera did the 1/4 mile in approx. 13 sec. flat. (One of the mags got a 12.99 when it was a new car). Stock car probably had ~160-170 rwhp. He has 623 rwhp and the car is *1 second quicker*?? And it is presumably set up for drag racing. (I recall one thread where someone suggested removing the front sway bar for better launching). So much for beating us all in "any type of race".

I stand by my earlier statement that 911s don't make good drag cars, even though some of them are pretty quick. There are legions of kids w/ Hondas using 1/2 the HP and 1/3 the $$ that will humiliate this car at the strip.

Todd Simpson · 08-31-2003, 07:46 PM

It looks to me like those comments directed at Juan were critical of drag racing or street racing, and have nothing to do with doubting his HP claims.

350HP930 · 08-31-2003, 07:52 PM

I'm pretty sure I remember reading about a few 911s out there that do the quarter in about 10 seconds using less power than Juan is talking about.

One common proplem a lot of 500+HP automobiles have is properly getting all that power to the ground.

sewell94 · 08-31-2003, 08:14 PM

I guess this is gonna turn into a pissing match , Well yes Juan could have better times, thats just seat time, but if you actually looked at his trap speeds they are in the 130's, thats crazy fast, thats an easy 10 sec car. Good thing this is a street racing car and not a drag car, The car is not setup for Drag racing, if it were he would be running a totally different suspension,slicks, and without air conditioning. You must be on crack to think that a stock carrera could even come close to running a 12.99 pass, I think that your old mind is playing tricks on you, A stock 930 might do that but not a carrera. Yes we know there are cars with less money out there runnig quicker times. But have the fun is doing it with a car you love. I just sold my "built honda" so i know about them, it doesn't even compare to the Porsche. And to get those kinda times outta of a honda, it takes 20K to do it right. And no i we haven't found a honda that will compare to it on the street or the track , If you know of any in Fla please send them our way

Tyson Schmidt · 08-31-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by sewell94
. . Alot of you guys say that well its only fast from a straight line, thats some BS, its still a Porsche, just with an extra 400 hp Very few people have a car on this board have a car that could beat juans at the track, In any type of a race.

I'll take that wager. And I'll do it with 170HP at the crank. (On a good day!)

08-31-2003, 08:49 PM

Juan, thanks for posting. keep it up. those numbers are impressive.

straight line performance / track performance blah blah blah...if the dragstrip on weekends doesn't get you excited - seeing any street car do the 1/4 in 10 gives me shivers! then i wonder about some porsche fans. But I guess there are those who are 911 fans for whatever reason... and and then there are motorheads who love the 911!

sewell94 · 09:55 PM

I just understand why people can't just say , "Wow Juans that great." I'm really glad that some of the people can enjoy what he has done. It's not like we are saying its the best, fastest car out there. This is a Porsche, why wouldn't you guys be happy that our Passion, Porsche, is good at another automotive thing, would you rather a porsche stink at drag racing ??? Its like getting mad at your kid because he's good at soccer, just because your a football fan. I guess most people are miserable old turd's that can't be happy at other people accomplishments, I can wait till the next guy posts about getting his engine rebuilt. dropped in, and running, because some turd is just gonna says, its a porsche it shouldn't have broken down, and so there should be no need to take the motor out in the first place. I have always thought of the Porsche community, esp Pelican, as a loving community, I'm glad MOST of the people are like that.