Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
RickKlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seale, Alabama (25 miles south of Auburn, Al.)
Posts: 466
No smoke from a rebuilt motor, is this right?

As some of you may know, I just installed my rebuilt 3.0L and started it last night. Well, I was expecting it to smoke on the first start up, because the rings are not seated. I warned the neighbor and the wife that it was going to smoke once I started it until the rings seat. So I fired it up, it spit, coughed, and sputtered a few times but , no smoke.


WHY? Should it have smoked a little ? The wrench told me that with new rings smoking on start up IS normal.

Thanks
Rick

__________________
Red 1977 911s 3.0L (27230)
2013 Base Cayenne 3.6L
Old 09-05-2003, 10:55 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Irrationally exuberant
 
ChrisBennet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Nashua, NH USA
Posts: 8,164
Garage
Did you put oil in it?
-Chris
__________________
'80 911 Nogaro blue Phoenix!
'07 BMW 328i 245K miles!
http://members.rennlist.org/messinwith911s/
Old 09-05-2003, 11:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered
 
RickKlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seale, Alabama (25 miles south of Auburn, Al.)
Posts: 466
Yep, both quarts
__________________
Red 1977 911s 3.0L (27230)
2013 Base Cayenne 3.6L
Old 09-05-2003, 11:05 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Heck, I’m only 5 not 71!
 
targa80's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Jensen Beach, FL
Posts: 1,938
Garage
When you rebuild the motor did you use a rebuild lubricant on the new bearing surfaces. When I rebuilt mine it smoked for about 3~5 minutes then cleared up.
__________________
Pat Henry
Targa80
1980SC Targa (Mocha Brown)
Old 09-05-2003, 11:22 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered
 
RickKlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seale, Alabama (25 miles south of Auburn, Al.)
Posts: 466
I did not rebuild it, I had a wrench rebuild it , so I'm not sure how he did it.
__________________
Red 1977 911s 3.0L (27230)
2013 Base Cayenne 3.6L
Old 09-05-2003, 11:25 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Peoples Republic of Long Beach, NY
Posts: 21,140
Cool

did the wrench start it already?
__________________
Ronin LB
'77 911s 2.7
PMO E 8.5
SSI Monty
MSD JPI
w x6
Old 09-05-2003, 11:36 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
RickKlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seale, Alabama (25 miles south of Auburn, Al.)
Posts: 466
Nope, he shiped it back to me in long block form and I added everything back on. He said that he does not start them up.

Rick
__________________
Red 1977 911s 3.0L (27230)
2013 Base Cayenne 3.6L
Old 09-05-2003, 11:39 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Peoples Republic of Long Beach, NY
Posts: 21,140
Cool

then I don't have an answer..
I oil the pistons and cyl. when installing.......Ron
__________________
Ronin LB
'77 911s 2.7
PMO E 8.5
SSI Monty
MSD JPI
w x6
Old 09-05-2003, 11:42 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered
 
RickKlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seale, Alabama (25 miles south of Auburn, Al.)
Posts: 466
Thanks Ronin

I thought the reason that it should smoke was that the rings are not seated and oil comes by the rings and then into the combustion chamber where it ignites with the fuel. But what do I know, This was just my thought.

Thanks
Rick
__________________
Red 1977 911s 3.0L (27230)
2013 Base Cayenne 3.6L
Old 09-05-2003, 11:48 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
1fastredsc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 2,459
Send a message via AIM to 1fastredsc
Usually they smoke because while rebuilding most of the time, you put a slight coat of oil along the cylinder walls to help lube initial startup. A lot of it burns away after it fires up.
__________________
2007 Mazda 3 hatch
1972 Porsche 914 roller with plenty of holes to fix
Old 09-05-2003, 11:51 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Registered
 
avendlerdp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Glendale, Ca. USA
Posts: 756
Garage
New motors do not always smoke on startup at all. If it has good oil pressure, makes no funny sounds, runs cool and has good power, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. If you think about how much assembly oil actually should be in the combution chambers at start up it's not enough to make much smoke. Most of the pre-lube would be in the bottom end.
__________________
1972 Porsche 914 Project
2000 BMW M5
1973 Aermacchi 350
Old 09-05-2003, 11:54 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Superman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Lacey, WA. USA
Posts: 25,306
I used assembly lube on the bottom end parts, and a very very thin coat on the cylinder walls. Used P&Cs, new rings. Virtually no smoke at all, ever. Burns no oil. goes like stink.
__________________
Man of Carbon Fiber (stronger than steel)

Mocha 1978 911SC. "Coco"
Old 09-05-2003, 12:29 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
Registered
Engine break-in info....

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
__________________
Warren & Ron, may you rest in Peace.
Old 09-05-2003, 12:32 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Registered
 
RickKlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Seale, Alabama (25 miles south of Auburn, Al.)
Posts: 466
Thanks , That makes me fill alot better. I was worried that he sold me a used long block that was not even rebuilt. Yes I'm paranoid. And as for hearing funny noises (avendlerdp's comment) yes I hear funny noises, did I say that I was paranoid. But seriously it does sound all together different than my 2.7 . so I was nervous once I heard it run.

Rick
__________________
Red 1977 911s 3.0L (27230)
2013 Base Cayenne 3.6L
Old 09-05-2003, 12:35 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered
 
Mr9146's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,571
No smoke = no problem.

Those funny sounds are in your head ... tell the gremlins to go away.

I always use oil on a rebuild, my motors rarely smoke. There is, however, a slight haze that tends to come from the greasy handprints that burn off the hot parts right after an oil change or rebuild. If you didn't get the haze then you should be REALLY stoked.
Old 09-05-2003, 01:57 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
Registered
 
}{arlequin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: DC/Boston
Posts: 5,500
Garage
that break-in article seems very informative
__________________
dave
1973,5: one two thweeee!
no.don't.stop.
Old 09-05-2003, 07:47 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Registered
 
lateapex911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Black Rock, CT
Posts: 4,345
Yes I hear funny noises as well! But paranoia is kind of normal right after you write the big check! (For a car most wives, girlfriends, mothers and other 'responsible' people tell you is a 'silly luxury'!)
__________________
Jake Gulick, Black Rock, CT.
'73 yellow 911E , & 2003 BMW M3 Cab. Ex: 84 Mazda RX-7 SCCA racer. did ok with it, set some records, won some races, but it wore out, LOL[/B]
Old 09-05-2003, 08:01 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Superman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Lacey, WA. USA
Posts: 25,306
The noises are real. Air cooled motors are noisy. Relax.

__________________
Man of Carbon Fiber (stronger than steel)

Mocha 1978 911SC. "Coco"
Old 09-06-2003, 06:23 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #18 (permalink)
 
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:17 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.