I forgot about that miraculous piece of Delaware engineering.

Mine was thrown out long ago in favor of the CF tube from Thom.

does someone have another solution for the fan block off? if you go with heat, the tube from Thom is excellent, but if not than what?
who is charging 100$ for an aluminum block off?
let's at least be factual.

Sorry I am not going to get "into it" over Timmins. The actual price for the shroud block off /vent kit is $59.00 which is a complete RIP-OFF and you know it Bill get real. It's .50 worth of stuff.

I have posted my opinions so I am done.

I agree there will be no "getting into it" but please be factual when you are addressing this forum. There are folks turning to us (the forum) for factual information regarding these conversions. WE should provide what expereince we have and be done.

The price as listed is not 59$. Also, it is an option. For some folks going and making a piece is not an option. They would like to have a complete kit. (as I understnd it this is the only "complete" kit available at this time with instruction and tech support)
I'm sure as in other businesses there are some parts that make more money than others.

This whole thing against Timmins settle down, after all you guys are all using basicaly what he pioneered and developed, you guys that are putting together your own kits have his instructions from some one else, Steve saved me from a 3.6 conversion gone bad, I spoke to him on the phone several times with my car in front of me for at least an hour each time, i sent him my dme box to check etc and i only bought the kit from him,

The only thing i thought was weak was the throttle cable, you guys complain about it not allowing wide open throttle, but the kit price doesnt reflect a patrick 300 dollar cable, to get the throttle to allow wot (wide open throttle) i can simply cut the piece on the tranny and extend it for more throw,
Every time i spoke to patrick, he was short and bitter and never returned a e-mail, but its not gonna stop me from some day maybe buying his throttle cable

I actualy got more bad info from this bbs from guys that havent done the conversion then anything,

EMBS i feel for you and the problem you had and i seen some of the pictures you posted in your early post, as i told you before some of your issues i would have been just as mad as you were,

Harald and i had some issues also, it took many months to work out, but i havent come to this bbs screaming about it,

I probably could now put together all the parts my self and maybe save a few bucks,

the issue is Steves harness plugs into a stock un altered harness, allowing you to get a new dme or engine harness if need be, you at least need his instructions, and i would at least buy his harness all german ends and well made,
last thing his kits a couple grand, if your complaing about the price how can you afford a 3.6 conversion?
I was treated well by steve and i feel i owe him for bailing me out and getting my car running, if your gonna post negative things about him thats your business, but at least be tactful if you do it, this guy that wants to the conversion is in a place where no one else has done a conversion, his best bet for a first time conversion is to go with something tried and true,
I know you guys are gonna bust my chops for sticking up for Timmins, hey go for it, the issue on this post is this guy is in another country, whoes driving over to his house to help him when hes stuck?????? Kevin

Before I found the heater tube, I used a piece of black plexiglas which I cut to fit into the rubbe shroud piece. Set be back ~75 cents or so out of the TAP plastics remnant bin.

(shameless plug alert)
Of course, the proper solution is
http://vintagebus.com/rstube/2004877.JPG

I thought I was going to get out of the heater tube biz, but I kept getting requests, so I went ahead and had a new mold made.

The demand will not dry up any time soon. A 3.6 motor with no A/C and your RS heat tube is one mean looking motor.

I think that the bottom line on the kit is, do you enjoy scrounging or not. I don't and felt that the kit was well worth it, as is the finished product. FYI Steve is currently using a German sourced flywheel, not the Patrick one.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa..._006_small.jpg

I took the time this spring to drive from New York down to Steves place for his annual Chili cook-out (which benefits charity). Steve showed me several cars, his shop and a couple engines he was working on. While I would not lable Steve as the cleanest guy I know (sorry Steve) I would lable him as someone who knows what he is doing. One of the first cars he built was for his wife. She took me for a ride and the car was tight, ran well and was fast.

I found Steve to be flexible and willing to talk for hours about any swap question. To me if you want to do this swap there are few people that have done as many as Steve. There were no less than three cars which he had done swaps on. If you want super detail work (finish work, welds etc.) then tell him that, let him know what you want.

I currently have a strong 3.2 and plan a 993 swap at some point. Steve was open with me about all the options I have and told me what the costs would be up front!

Give him a call. He is fair.

--James

I hope you mean his shop is not the cleanest you've seen.

yes and neither is mine. :-)

firstly i would like to say thanks to kevin and others for there opinion on the kit.yes its true im in aust so a good kit must be found as its a bit hard to get help when a problem arises so any positive feedback on the KITS would be appreciated.the person who makes it well thats your opinion.please keep all coments relavent coming as they are very helpful.

Intake
 

Bill great looking motor. sounds nice too. so, what kind of an intake do you have. mines black plastic like the above pic. just wondering if thats an upgrade.

Boost I think you will be happy with Steves kit, the big thing you have to worry about is making sure that you get the 3.6 engine tin harnesses and other parts from a car that was not altered, the harnesses not spliced into( cut or repaired) the engine tin has a problem with rust, you will need a clutch, exhaust, replace the rear seal, you actual dont have to put the power steering delete on, (covers hole) but i hear they are prone to leak so its a good idea, you can check my post 3.6 conversion under my name, or do a search, you will not believe the power, i have only driven my car 25 miles, and hope to be driving it this weekend, o yea and just go ahead and plan on a oil cooler,

I am doing a swap with a 97 3.6 V-ram that I'm buying from Steve with OBD-1 electronics (US engine with Euro electronics). I'm getting it as a crate engine, with all conversion parts installed and ready to bolt in (including Thom's heater tube). My mechanic is doing the swap and he and I have had numerous conversations with Steve. So far, I have nothing but good things to say about the thoroughness and patience that Steve has offered.

I will inquire about the throttle cable issue to see what he has to say. My swap is scheduled for late October and I'll be happy to report the results shortly thereafter. I'd love to do the swap myself, but I know that I don't have the time or resources to do it properly. A demanding job, lots of travel, and 3 kids under 9 years old stand in the way.

Mike the car will be so fast i dought you will notice that its missing a small amount of throttle travel, my wife went with me on the maiden voyage to my suprise her response was holly ***** this car is fast, this comming from a female that owned a 74 z28 that had a bult 350 that would smoke both rear tires in drive, she used to smoke my camaro, Kevin

Mike:

That's the same type of motor that Steve T. put in my car (he got it from Harald). With a light weight flywheel, B&B headers and no cat exhaust it friggin' flies. I opted for the additional front fender mounted oil cooler too (one one each side now) and the temps are nice and low. It is hard not to shift before the redline each shift. It is fun.

gduke, The '92 on 964 and '95 993 used the black plastic intake. This is the '93 964 that the 993 replaced
http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/wmv/engine2.JPG mine is a euro vram M64/21 built to 3.8 RS spec, hence the manifolds.

Mike, be sure to remove and plug the SAI system. The B&B headers wil work well on a 993 w/Thoms heat tube
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa..._008_small.jpg
Since you're likely using a 55 pin Cyntex chip the SAI is totally redundant dead weight.

I'm using Steve's throttle setup and don't have a problem w/ it.

I also have the Timmins throttle cable, with full travel and no dramas.

The way I explain Steve to people is that he's like a very enthusiastic uncle who's done some pioneering work in this one particular area. He's not Andial, and he doesn't charge Andial dollars.

And by saying that, I'm not knocking Timmins or Andial. Some people are happier spending Andial money. They can feel good about going ballistic if something is not right, knowing they've paid a premium in order to do so.

Timmins is not a nutso perfectionist. But he will spend a lot of time on the phone with people, helping them through the kinks -- or even drive for hours to get you the right part if there's a mixup.

If you're a person with a lot of time and skill, and you tend to enjoy the process as much as the result, then putting together your own kit might be the best way to go. If you suspect you're not as technically gifted as Steve is, or you simply want to get the motor in there, now, so you can start driving the thing, then you'll definitely benefit from his accumulated experience and from his very-complete kit.

thanks Jack. That is basically what I was trying to get across in my post.