RSR project budget???

[expat]

I would love to have an RSR look-a-like project to commence next year.

Jacks and Rattlesnakes are awesome examples.

I dont have the skills or resources to do it myself so what would the overall budget for such a project, including a suitable donor (earlier 70's) a 3.6 and work mostly contracted out?

What would the expected time frame be if I could find a shop to do the work consistantly but not as the first priority?

If it helps, this would all occur in Cali.. Would it be any cheaper to do it in another state and then either drive it or transport it back?

I know the pricing and time frame would be very subjective but any ball-park figures will give me something to aim at.

Thanks
Mark

[Jim Richards]

What a great question, Mark..."What's it take ($$$) to build an RSR 'replica?'" I'm still dreaming about an RS 'replica' myself. But something's got to go first.

[350HP930]

Lots of money if you had to start from scratch and sub all the work.

As has been mentioned in many threads here on this BBS, it would be MUCH cheaper to buy someones existing project instead of starting your own if you can't do all the work yourself.

[rdane]

If you have a decent tub (or a decent car), suspension, tranny, interior, RSR or something rebuilt to similar spec, the number that I keep hearing (Rennsports customer base, my own project and other car owners I have chatted with) is $60K.

If you want a 3.6 transplant currently some where between 10/20K more should finish the project.

Depends on how handy you are with the work.....35K might cover it doing it all yourself. 60/80K if you are having it all done and are a wise consumer.

Everything done perfectly, front to back with a newer 3.6, I would think 80k$ is a more realistic figure as a car built for you.

[expat]

Originally posted by 350HP930
Lots of money if you had to start from scratch and sub all the work.

As has been mentioned in many threads here on this BBS, it would be MUCH cheaper to buy someones existing project instead of starting your own if you can't do all the work yourself.

I understand that it would take lots...but how much would lots be? Realistically.

And I know it would be ideal to buy someone else's project but I havent seen much of that in my internet searching in th Cali area.

Jack O? I'm not asking you directly what yours cost but can you give me a ball park figure based on your experience of what I could budget overall?

Thanks again for any help.

[expat]

Originally posted by rdane
the number that I keep hearing (Rennsports customer base, my own project and other car owners I have chatted with) is $60K.

If you want a 3.6 transplant currently some where between 10/20K more should finish the project.

Depends on how handy you are with the work.....35K might cover it doing it all yourself. 60/80K if you are having it all done and are a wise consumer.

Everything done perfectly, front to back with a newer 3.6, I would think 80k$ is a more realistic figure as a car built for you.

Great...thanks...I think.

[rdane]

While 80K will buy you a lot of current production Porsche......riding in a well sorted, lightweight, 3.6 gives a whole new definition to the street name of Porsche. The factory never offered this one

But my take is you have to be a pretty hard core driving fan to appreciate the finished car.

[expat]

I found this which is useful although not an RSR - close

Pricing is attractive

The REAL cost of doing a 3.6 RS Clone ..

[Tyson Schmidt]

"Pricing is attractive": indeed- thom did the majority of the work himself and got decent deals on parts. So yes, he showed it can be done inexpensively, but what is a good tech's labor worth at 150-200 hours?
The other posts have it dialed in- ground up it'll be between 60-80k for a quality product.
Have you though of buying a 964 and backdating it to a 73 RSR look? all the comforts of the modern car with the retro look.
Otherwise try to find a 74 or earlier (smog exemption in Ca) car that someone has already installed a 3.6

[Kevin Stewart]

Asking a person directly what a car cost is kinda an insult, its just one of those things thats private, just kinda do the math
car lets say 5000 for a roller
15000 for a 3.6
body work parts etc 10-15000 fenders bumpers paint etc
wheels and tires 3000-4000
real race seat and interior 3000-5000
roll bar 1000 installed
suspension and brakes i would go 5000-10000
misc stuff to make this a really nice car like new lights trim etc 10000
you are talking a minimum of 50000

15000 for the 3.6 with exhaust and parts is right thier plus install
brakes big red cheap conversion 2500 good conversion 5000
you would be better off finding a wrecked 1990-1994 wide body and back dateing the whole project and making it lighter,

I seen a 1990 widebody that had been stripped with 3.6 with suspension for 12000 on a california salvage yard last night

I have a sc targa changed to cab, steel wide body c2 bumpers 3.6 with B&B headers etc, 18's color change, im just getting ready to do new carpets and suspension and brakes, I passed 30000 a long time ago, and i did most of the work, Kevin

[Jack Olsen]

A lot of the numbers being thrown around here are about double what I paid. At the same time, I don't think they're unrealistic. The bottom line is that it would be pretty easy to spend 80K on a no-compromises RSR track car, and it would also be realistic for a patient and thrifty person to do it for half that amount, (or less, if you did the work yourself -- POVI's was 27K).

I'm not insulted by someone asking me what I spent, but it's a tricky question to ask because 1) I did it all twice, with BB1 and BB2, with some components common to both, and 2) I haven't added it up, and my wife might one day find this thread in a Google search.

Some of these are guesses, but I paid:

3,500 for a roller
5,000 for a 3.6
3,000 for Timmins kit and (used) B&B exhaust
8,000 for bodywork, panels and paint
1,800 for wheels
2,300 for leather-covered race seats (cloth would be half that)
1,000 for other interior (carpet, wheel, peals)
2,500 for full cage (a roll bar would be much less)
3,000 for brakes
5,000 for suspension (that's a guess -- it could be lower or higher)

Then, let's throw in:

9,375 for 150 hours of labor at $75/hour

That's $44,475, so far

Let's toss in another 3,000 for surprises, and you're still under $48,000 -- less without the full cage and leather seats.

My guess is I'm missing some stuff, here. I can understand it getting into the 60K range, but 80K seems to me like you'd be building a pretty fancy motor, and buying some very high end suspension stuff.

There is a very good argument to be made for starting with a 964 and backdating the body.

There's also a good argument for spending a few grand on hookers and acting classes, and then engineering the collapse of my marriage.

The divorce scenario for me is unlikely, but a 20K 964 already has the motor, brakes, and a good suspension. 10K on exterior and interior work would keep the project in a safer tax bracket.

And for an even greater bargain, consider something like the recently-offered 3.6 SC with the Ruf bodywork, selling for close to 20K.

80K/50k/30K/20K -- different strategies can bring in great cars at all these levels.

There's also a good argument for spending a few grand on hookers and acting classes

I'm in for half of it...............

[Kevin Stewart]

Jack, i didnt know if you cared or not about someone asking you the price I try and not talk about it because the real answer is my wife really doesnt know and if i dont add it up then i can keep saying, i dont know, if you subtract the house gutter that fell on the car full of ice and it getting side swiped by a drunk, then i would come in right at 22000, but the insurance paid for all the body updates plus, i sold old parts old motor etc etc etc when im done with new brakes/sway bars etc, im thinking 30000, not bad for a rocket, but i have hundred of hours in it, and shopped for parts like Thom, and im sure i missed several thousand if i would get the reciepts out, I recently told her i was thinking about buying a Ferarri 348, she didnt say a word so im looking, Kevin

[ttweed]

Just buy the Jagermeister replica that Autometrics has for sale. http://www.autometricsmotorsports.com/used/index.htm
Gordon Friedman does good work, from what I've heard, and this car sure looks sweet to me. If I had a spare $60K laying around, I'd make him an offer.

TT

[rdane]

I'm at $61.5K on my car's rebuild. That does include the price of the car (8K) which didn't need paint or body work past wing and bumpers. And leaves me with a 3.0l engine that needs a rebuild. It does include some of the best in wheels, tires, 915 transmission, interior. Add very good brakes and suspension, but not the best available. Pretty much everything but the engine has been replaced. That cost is also pretty much what Steve Weiner has seen end up in a well sorted car before the 3.6 swap. So I am not alone. I now know how to do it for $20K less but then that is a compromise over my current car. (The only discounts were parts from Pelican BTW and a professional wrench doing 95% of the labor involved)

Jack got his 3.6 for 5K which is going to be difficult indeed to duplicate at the current exchange rate....going price will be $7 to 9K depending on the 3.6 engine of choice. Then add the install and various bits and pieces and you hit $20K total on just an engine swap, done professionally. My take is you'll easily add another 10/15K for car and engine to BBIIs numbers.

I'll have a nice, like new, car along the lines of Rup Yellow Bird and a n/a 300hp when I am done. I figure it is money well spent.

[expat]

Originally posted by Kevin Stewart
Asking a person directly what a car cost is kinda an insult, its just one of those things thats private Kevin

Sorry, didnt mean to insult anyone

Actually I only asked for a 'ball park' from Jack and not directly from his own project but from his experiences what he would expect. Obviosuly his project was likely to be different from what I was asking because he was able to keep costs down for various reasons.

Anyhow, thanks for all the information that has been provided to date. Jack, Dane, Kevin - thanks for the detailed accounts.

Tyson, the idea of the 964 has has been thru my mind and I have costed that one out but wasnt to sure how close or far I was. The above info puts it into some perspective.

Cheers
Mark

[Shuie]

Originally posted by Tyson Schmidt

Have you though of buying a 964 and backdating it to a 73 RSR look?

Ive seen cars that have been updated with 964 or 993 bodywork, but Ive never seen a backdaetd 964. How is this done? Is this a lot more involved than backdating a 74-89 car? Has anyone done this that can share some of the details?

[rattlsnak]

There are two ways to go at this. (or three if you go somewhere in the middle) A Supreme full conversion with steel flares, nice carpet, new window mouldings etc. (Like Jacks), and theres the Race car conversion more like mine. I wont have any carpet, I have fiberglass fenders etc. Mine will be street driven also so I compromised on a few things, like still having heat, door panels etc. If I were to sublet it all out, it would be Big $$$. I should end up with @ 15K Total in mine doing 95% of the work myself.

[rdane]

"I should end up with @ 15K Total in mine doing 95% of the work myself."

Plus the car? Or 15 total with the car included?

[alfa11]

I have about $52K into my 78 Turbo twin plug including cost of car.

Paul