Engine oil cooler relocation

[HawgRyder]

I have searched all over but cannot find the info I remember seeing about removing the engine oil cooler (the one on the engine) and replacing it with an oil filter assembly complete with cooling tin.
Anyone have the url for the gimmick?
Much appr'd.
Bob

[HawgRyder]

Bump

[Wil Ferch]

*Maybe*....you're thinking of the design change the factory did when they went from the last of the 3.2's..to the first 3.6, 964's ???? Pics like this were shown in Bruce Anderson's Performance book.

--Wil Ferch

[banjomike]

I did many hours of reading archived posts about oil cooling before I installed my front fender cooler. I never read anything about modifying the interal cooler in any way.

[cstreit]

I've seen them... Let me check..

Here we go... http://www.smartracingproducts.com/

Go to performance products, oil systems, Engine Mounted Oil Filters & Thermostat Replacement....

[HawgRyder]

Chris...you da Man!!
Thanks
Bob

[Bill Verburg]

There are 2 versions, the n/a cars use a console w/ 0&deg mount the 965 used 15&deg mount. The latter makes oil changes a tad easier.

[Jeff Jagusch]

I'm considering just such a thing for my RS replica racecar, I'm planning on using a large Mocal front bumper mounted cooler with an oil tank up front. I'll be "releiving" the area just behind the cooler for better air flow.

Are there any concerns about cooling with this set up. The car will be used for track only!

My main objective was to eliminate the plumbing associated with an oil filter mounted up front near the tank.

I've been told that there is an advantage in getting all of that HOT oil up front as soon as possible??????

Part of me says just leave well enough alone and leave the oil cooler on the engine

I'd appeciate any comments!

Thanks
Jeff

[HawgRyder]

I am looking at it more of a full flow filter on the engine.
Every type of engine I have worked on up until now has had the oil flow through the filter before going to the bearings.
Bob

[feelyx]

Is this what your looking for? I'm also doing full flow, its on a 2.7 project.
Tim in Sac

[HawgRyder]

Tim...that looks like a stock part is it?
The one I was originaly looking at was the slanted one from Smart Racing that has the air deflector (air tin) on it.
Your unit looks as if the oil is directed staight through into the filter housing and back into the block just like the cooler would do it.
I assume you need a fitting on the lower part to take the oil from the tank into the pump?
Bob

[feelyx]

yes... it is a stock part last pic shows part # , I picked it up from a auto wrecker (way cheaper) I haven't made the tin part yet, but looking at it shouldn't be too difficult. Yes, straight thru just like the oil cooler, the filter does not sit at an angle, and yes, you would need a fitting. Try Mike at Brunsmspts@aol.com for the fitting.
Tim in Sac

[Wil Ferch]

Jeff:
Not to hijack this thread, but IMHO..I believe you'd be further ahead if you gasket the front oil cooler around the perimeter, to force all the incoming air through the cooler, rather than relieve the backspacing of the cooler via body mods ( $$$ and mucho work). We don't have much discussion about this, but I believe this has merit...
---Wil Ferch

[Jeff Jagusch]

Thanks Will,

hope I did'nt offend HAWG RIDER, just thought it was along similar lines.

I agree that gasketing the front side of the cooler will help, but with no place for the air to go, you don't get much airflow.
My car is a bare shell on a rotissari so it's not as much work as if it were a concours complete car.

I'm still interested in hearing about the cooling effects of removing the enigne mounted cooler?

And anyone that would have the adapter for sale!

Thanks
Jeff

[cstreit]

Jeff,

A number of Ecurie's 2.x liter porsche's in VSCDA have this setup. No complaints from them (just talked to them about it at Mid-Ohio a few months back)

[HawgRyder]

Jeff..no offence at all...
And Chris....my idea is to do the filter mod on the engine...then go with a large horizontal oil cooler up front (in the middle) with removal of the filter housing and other stuff at the oil tank.
I am also planning on using an aftermarket oil thermostat as well.
Do you see any major problems with this setup?
BTW I read the thread on your setup of the "race" motor...too bad some ppl spend big bucks on equipment then fudge the assembly.
Bob

[1fastredsc]

I'm a little confused, what are the advantages, wouldn't you end up with two oil filters and no engine oil cooler?

[dad911]

I did it when installing a 3.2 in a car with no rear oil tank/filter. This car had a larger capacity tank in the front 'smuggler's box'. It also made the 'plumbing' easier. As I remember, it is a 993 part, and the block off tin was eisily made. I'm not sure there is any advantage if you are retaining the stock oil tank.

As I remember, I also had to replace the 'engine' thermostat wih a machined part.

[HawgRyder]

Fastred....no...I will end up with 1 oil filter (on the case where the cooler used to be)....no oil filter or any of the extra lines, fittings, and other gobbley-gook on the tank....the tank in the original position....and a big horizontal cooler up front in the middle of the car.
The thermostat will be (hopefully)in the circuit placed in the passenger side rear wheelwell.
The whole idea is to clean up the engine compartment, have the engine warm up faster (not sure this will be true), and have more than adequate oil cooling (for a 2.0L).
The filter will be in the supply circuit so that all the oil is filtered before it goes to the bearings.
Bob

[1fastredsc]

This might be hillarious to throw in the mix, but i wonder if the cool collar would benefit more from being in that position with all the air that flows under the car?
One more question, if one does that mod, what do you do about where the oil filter is postioned now? Or do you have to replace the entire tank with that other oil tank on smartracing's site?