The KEY forgotten point:

It is ASSUMED that the increase is 6 to 8%. No proof though.
Cost per HP = $280 divided by ? is probably infinite by my math.

But it's the FEELINGS. Sounds like a Clinton pitch!

Good Luck
Loren
'88 3.2

On my 86 911, I first started with the dansk 1 in 2 out sport muffler then added the premuffler and notice a power increase. Added a Steve Wong chip an notice another power increase. The car was much more enjoyable to drive. Wong chip was best money spent and he is a great guy, very helpful.

Tell that to all the 930 guys who try to reduce turbo lag, even without increasing horsepower. Sometimes the non-quantifiable is still a valid pursuit.

But what about this from this thread http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/140400-steve-wong-chip-installed-post1086908.html#post1086908 :

hi steve,
just got done with making some runs comparing stock car with stock chip vs.
yr chip. made 6-7 runs each on the same stretch of road. i chose to
compare horsepower only as 0-60 times is just too hard to replicate and i
don't want to abuse my clutch so much. the horsepower numbers were obtained
from wot in second gear till the rev limiter kicked in. i tried to control
the other variables as much as possible such as the amount of gas in the
tank (filled up b4 each set of runs), and external temp was within 3
degrees. the g-tech was set with the vehicle wt as 3000 pounds and kept
constant in its position and setting for each run. i eliminated the highest
and lowest runs from each set and obtained the following avg horsepower:
stock chip: 174.75 your chip: 188.25! and as i said before, not only
does it show better numbers, it makes the car so much more lively and fun to
drive throughout the rpm range which is what really counts for me. it's
idling a bit higher but is very smooth, no hunting and no pinging that i can
tell so far. the fabspeed premuffler is going on later and i'll make more
runs in the next two days when i can get the external temp to cooperate.
btw, please feel free to share any of this info with anyone. take care,
mike

Other than the chip, what could have made the g-tech "feel" the increase in hp?

Loren,
I can't understand your negitivity regarding Steve's work.
So far he has sent me three differant chips trying to razor
edge tune the power curve of my 87 Carrera. I have been increasing my smiles with every change. I havn't installed
the third one yet because of time but this Saturday it too
will be installed and I'm sure that will prduce even more
grins. I'm serious right now it purrs at idle and sound like
ripping sheets at 6000. Steve keep up the good work,
maybe you should send the used one I will be sending back to Loren just to shut him up!!

Keith Epperly 87 Slant nose turbo look Carrera cabriolet

Loren - I have got to say this - I think you bring some valid arguments - but you my friend have probably done more for Steve Wong's business than ANYONE. I hope he sent you a Christmas Card. Everytime you respond with your assertions - 30 happy Steve Wong customers (and usually different ones) write their satisfaction with his product. I have yet to see anybody say - yeah - tried SteveW chip and didn't do anything... Or tried Steve's number and didn't get a call back...

LOL...

Kepperly:

"So far he has sent me three differant chips trying to razor
edge tune the power curve of my 87 Carrera."

Why three different chips? A 3.2 is a 3.2. If it were done properly
using a dyno, you wouldn't have to be "playing" around. What a joke!
That's real "REPUTABLE" isn't it, as Andial says.

Have Good Feelings
Loren
'88 3.2

Since I have a 3.2 that has had several chips, stock, Authothority, and finally, Steve's, I'm amused that any post about a 3.2 upgrade will inevitably turn into a p*ssing match of chip vs no chip. What gives? I'll spell it out, and if I've missed something, let me know:

Porsche builds car. Porsche must make car fit US regulation for emissions and fuel milage. Porsche must also make allowances for car gasolines available over a large octane level. Porsche designs chip to meet minimal requirements. Chip programmer designs chip to run on higher octance gas. Programmer does not have to worry about fuel efficiency or milage. Programmer can then only program the optimal setting to maximize engine performance.

Sounds too simple I guess. Just like the last time I had my car at the track that I had run 100's of time before. The only change was a change to Steve's chip and my redline was hitting way before it did on prior runs. Lap times down. Explanation?

Loren, what would make you happy?

Here is what I want...
 

I'd like a really cheap mod that gives me about 275 to 300 rwhp, increases the power across the whole rev range and promotes engine longevity. Any suggestions?

Loren, Steve offered me my money back If I did not like his chip. Sounds fairly reputable to me. Pelican is reputable and so is Andial, but both places have never offerd money back if you don't happen to "like" a product. How about your company? Is there a money back policy if I don't "like" it?

Jeff

Loren:
The points you make are generically valid, but there is no denying that chips can work ( and indeed seem to be the case with my Steve W chip !). You seem to dismiss "seat-of-pants" experiences out of hand...as a possible placebo effect...but even for some seasoned guys like myself there is absolutely no denying the mid-range torque improvement effect on a direct before-and-after change using Steve's chip. I intend to dyno my car in spring ( after winter hibernation) as I already have baseline dyno runs on my car before. This may help settle the issue at that time.

To the point of the poster's original question, however, a mild but noticeable upgrade can be made using a combo of :
- a good chip
- a Euro-pre muffler in lieu of cat. (I know the Porsche part works and presume the Fabspeed or Dansk similar shape unit will do as well. A normal "straight-pipe", however....may not improve things).
- dual-out muffler.

With such mods, my otherwise stock 85 3.2 Carrera dyno'd at 200 rear-wheel hp retaining the cat and using a "performance" chip and drilled airbox. Sequentially adding the Euro premuffler and later , Steve's chip gave incrementally improved results via the butt-dyno. Real dyno numbers will be interesting...even if they should only show a fattening of the mid range torque curve and no hp increase at top-end. That wouldn't disappoint me either based on how the car now feels.

---Wil Ferch

Why for everyone on this board to send their DME into him to work on. That's his business. To be honest, he is always so antagonistic that he would probably be the last person I would ever send anything to.

Oh...to Trader220:
You want cheap, painless, reliable 300 rear wheel ( ! ) hp?

.....Chevy conversion.... :)

--Wil Ferch

Wil, thanks but i said cheap as in the cost of a chip.

5% HP increase... My 87 Carrera made 217 bhp stock. 5% X 217 = 10.85.

Therefore, Steve W's chip puts my 1987 Carrera at 228 bhp and does wonders for the low end torque range. That is a nice increase for $230!

And now, with Andial and Lorenfb making the claim..., I feel even better about my Steve W chip--thanks!

Mike

Trader:
Even a $10,000 chip isn't going to get you 300 REAR wheel hp in a 3.2 .....LOL :)

----Wil Ferch

Loren,
You are about to pxxs me off. I take it with your worlds
of experience that you have never played around with
the timing on any of your previous vehicles, otherwise
you would understand why one changes the advance
curve. Steve also has capabilities of allowing the injectors
to stay open longer intervals to pump more fuel into the combustion chamber at any given rpm. If I had had the
experience of motronic tuning modification back when I
owned a 69 copo 427 camaro it would of had a motronic and Steve Wong chip and over 550 hp instead of the 494hp it
made on the dyno.

Keith Epperly 87 slant nose carrera wide body cabriolet

The SteveW chip gives me a difference that I can definitely notice. Even if it "only" gives me 2%-5% overall increase in HP, it made the car have a *much* *much* nicer overall powerband. It was worth it. SteveW also provided great support when I had questions about the chip, its installation and its effect.

Try it, and if you don't like it, return it. Simple.