Dash replacement writeup?
 

I just received my brand spankin' new dash pad from Clayton (Thanks, Clayton!).
I was wondering if there is any interest in a tech article geared towards dash pad replacement. I can't remember seeing it in 101 projects but even if it was, I could spend a bit more time and have more detailed photos and steps.
I promise it won't be as long as my engine rebuild article. :)

Anyway, I'm probably going to wait until warmer weather. PLus, I'm going to most likely do the headliner at the same time. I could combine the two. ??

Anyway, just wondering if I should be the test tube owner.

Its in 101 projects complete with locations of the nuts and plastic clips. I don't think there is an article on the tech section of the home page. write away...

How could you forget ;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/5243-dashboard-removal-installation.html

The article in 101 is pretty good, the nuts I had issues with were the ones between the pad and the glovebox-they're doable, but you'll curse quite a bit.

it is a tough job but you can do it without taking out the glass. I took my glass out and once the job was done I saw how I could have done it with the darn glass in there. :-(

send me a PM if you run into problems

I'm curious how you would have removed the dash leaving the winshield intact. Can you elaborate. Thanks.

Yeah, how can you install with the glass intact? This is the major reason I still have a warped dash. The cost of the dash and the labor/time for the procedure is really high. If I could figure out how to install the dash on my own without having to pop the windshield out, that'd ease the pain alot.

If your car has a single defroster vent in the dash (not two) then you can R/R the dash pad without removing the windshield. I did it w/ no problem and another BBS member (from S Africa, I can't recall who) posted the same. I think those are 1987-1989 cars.

A pic from my R/R (note mirror, hence windshield was in)

<img src="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads/dashout.jpg" border="0" alt="">

When you're removing the vents, this may help:

I got the vent out by levering up the little tabs with a small screwdriver, then pushing from inside the dash (had the clock out). You could probably "pull" the vent out by making a hook-type device from a clothes hanger. I did not remove the louvers.

The tabs are springloaded clips that snap behind the dash pad, so you'll need to hold them in the "released" while pushing. There are two such tabs for my car, I think. Pre-1986 vents may be a little different - they may have 4 tabs.

You know what?
I was planning on removing the glass for this job. Clayton gave me a new windsheild seal for free. But now I want to try and do it w/o removing the glass just to settle this once and for all.

I'm not worried about damaging my old dash as it will be scrap.
I wonder if it can be done.

Stand by...


:)

Be sure to write it up if you manage to replace it without R/R the windshield.

David Duffield

Leland-ain't no way its coming out of a double defroster vent car with the windshield in place without major destruction of something-there are screws holding the front edge of the pad down that are inaccessable with the glass in. The later cars with the double vents don't have those screws, and the screws in the single vent that hold the front of the pad down are accesable with glass in place.

If you could get to the screws on the earlier style, the pad would come out easily with the glass in place, but you'd have difficulty drilling the holes for the new screws, or using self tappers. Once its converted, no issue.

I replaced my dash last weekend. I was made easier because I have deleted most of my heater, I was able to reach the fasteners through the trunk. Getting the new one back in was a little tricky. I got all the fasteners in the holes in the front (5), then I had to use some tie wire to pull the top fasteners (2) into there respective holes. I had to use a scribe to open the plastic clips once they were inserted through the dash, but i wish I would have been a little more careful, because I broke one of the ends off. Oh well at least it was in the center.

I bought a new windshield seal from our host & will have a local auto glass shop come over & attempt to reinstall my old windshield for $60 when I'm ready. Hopefully he can do it without breaking the glass, as there is an agreement of no liability. It was hard to find a glass shop that would even do it with the old glass for under $100.

Unfortunately when the PO had the cheesey plastic dash cover installed, they also installed the wrong defroster vent covers. So I'll need to order some of those as well unless I can find some used ones soon.

Leland, I hope you have success without removing the windshield. Please post your results.

Nope, didn't work.


I just couldn't get the sheet metal screws and couldn't cut the leather away from them, like I had planned.
So,
The glass came out.
I've already got the new pad in.
It looks pretty good. There's just one spot next to the passenger side defroster vent that doesn't quite line up perfect. The gap is too big and you can see one of the holes under there. I took pics and will post them shortly.

I had a new seal and attempted to put the glass back in.
I used the wire technique and it was working just fine until I got to the bottom of the glass (around the wipers) and I just could not get it to catch the lip.
I said "good enough" and finished it up. Now I'm trying to get that blasted trim back on the seal. I can't get it.
What's the trick?????????

I'm stumped at that point.
The pad looks pretty darn good. Much better than the old one.

My intentions are to get the windsheild back into place temporarily. If I can get it to be "short-trip drivable", I'll take it to a glass shop and have them fit it right.

Here are the pictures...

Pull the gauges to gain access...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074145978.jpg

Pull the blower stuff to get to the bolts...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074145991.jpg

Remove the glass and dash...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074146007.jpg

Look at the mess you made...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074146016.jpg

Put the new dash in... tighten bolts...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074146029.jpg

Put plumbers putty on the bottom corners...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074146045.jpg

Here's the gap I was talking about... no big deal, I guess...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074146070.jpg

Here's the windsheild with the new seal and wire in the groove... it worked very well except for about a 6 in section along the center of the bottom. I guess I just couldn't get enough pressure from the outside. I was doing this by myself.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074146486.jpg


Anyway, while I'm in there, I'd like to unplug that annoying O2 counter thingie... is this the box? I was told to unplug the brown wire, but I don't see a single brown wire... only brown wire connected to this dealie is in a plug harness with about 7 or 8 friends.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1074146579.jpg

NOw I'm kind of thinking I may just buy a 964 trimless seal and give that a whirl. I know it may leak, but if I use a judicious amount of plumbers putty, I think it just may work.

And I'll need a helper next time. :)

I would like to know about that O2 box before I put it all back together.

good night guys,
Lee

Leland,
The trim goes in before the windshield goes in. If you don't have the trim in, the gasket won't seal properly (insufficient tension).

That bottom six inches will be no problem next time around once you have a buddy helping. Get the whole thing sealed or you may have major leaks.

Nice pics!

RIGHT!

I KNEW THAT!


...oops...



Thanks, Dave.
Well, all in all not too shabby for 2 and a half hours all by my lonesome. :)

Dems some sweet looking Recaros you gots there, Leland!

looks to me like you added some of your own screws? smart move. If I would have thought of that I would have done it. In that case, yes obviously glass must come out.

Wow, Leland. I'm amazed at how quickly you got that done! Good work! I'm sure you'll get the glass back in and sealed up, as well.

Clayton, the dash pad had been in my custody for under 9 hours before it went in the car.

The original plan was to wait until I have a headliner, carpet and door panels and to do them all at the same time. Only problem with that is,... well you all know how impatient I can be, right?

Leland,
You seem to have things well in hand. Wish I could be there to help though.
While you have everthing apart, it may be worth your time to check the rubber base mount for the flasher relay to make sure that it is fully seated.

Leland,

"Here's the gap I was talking about... no big deal, I guess..."

I did my dash last year, I have the same gap if it makes you feel any better. :D I believe that’s just how they fit.

Thanks for posting the photos for other Pelicanites looking to do the same.

Oh… the screws on the front side of the dash trim are factory… I believe. When I removed my old dash it had those screws pre-installed.

No problems gary, I really enjoyed the project. I was laying in the trunk working a couple of those bolts thinking to myself "ah, this is the life". I truely love doing stuff like this.

As for those screws, they were factory, although they appeared to be placed at random. They were sort of, I don't know, just where ever the installer decided to put them.

Now that I know how to properly install the windsheild, I'm confidant, I can get it right. I have a helper coming over after work to assist in the install.

Ok, Windsheild is back in. (and correctly too) :)
Everything looks great. It went a HELL of allot smoother with a helper applying pressure to the glass.

I'll have to wait for warmer weather to check for leaks.

For you guys afraid to do this... don't. It was cake. Much easier than I ever thought it'd be.

In fact, it was so easy, I'm now looking at removing the rear window to replace the weathered seal.

Neat project.

Hi Lee,
I had a box like that .. I think it was an EGR gizmo hooked up to trigger the EGR dash lite.. I can confirm if necessary. I disconnected and put the thing in long term storage....

>No problems gary, I really enjoyed the project. I was laying in the trunk
>working a couple of those bolts thinking to myself "ah, this is the life". I
>truely love doing stuff like this.

Let me know if you ever visit the UK - I'm sure I could find you some jobs to make you happy. :-D

Ben

Leland, did you use a windshield install kit or just some plain old electrical wire for the seal fitment? You thread has given me a glimmer of hope since I have had a dash sitting in my garage for installation since 3 months before I bought my car two years ago. Perhaps its time to dive in....