When did the SC's hit the US. When were they hit Europe?

[jaxon]

Did the galvanization start with the SC's? Seems to be some discrepencyin the threads.

[Early_S_Man]

Nope! The 912E and other '76 models had fully-galvanized bodies.

[palle7688]

I'm not sure about the US but in Europe, the SC started as '78 model in late '77. There was however a '76-'77 3.0L Carrera with 200 HP (same as Bill Verburg and my car) which to my knowlegde was not imported into the US.

[palle7688]

The galvnization started in late '75 for the '76 model.

[jaxon]

Someone recently advertised a '77 SC in the States. Didn't know there was such an animal.

[PBJauker]

In 77 the Euro car was a 3.0 carrera

[K-Jetronic]

My SC is from july 1977! I know of a few even earlier here on Pelican. Vin 9118300147. ROW car delivered in Belgium then shipped to the US. Currently in The Netherlands.

Regards, Gerko

[Aussie]

My SC is plated December 1977 the time when it left the factory.

However the VIN indicates its a 1978 model.

I guess when Porsche released the SC as being destined for 78 release they had to actually start producing them in the factory in 1977, so they would have stock for 78.

[palle7688]

K-jetronic.
Your VIN numbers indicates that it's a '78 car. The 4th digit "8" is year, 5th digit "3" is engine size-3.0L, 6th digit "0" is Coupe. Last four is car serial no. 0147 is a relative low no. so yours might have been build in late '77 as a '78 model.

[K-Jetronic]

Hi Palle,

Your absolutely right, that my car is a 78 Model, however I have a factory letter stating it left the factory in july 1977 as a 78 model. So one of the first. I don't know of any sc's with a 7 in their vin stating they would have been build in the first part of 1977 or the last part of 1976 as a 1977 model. It has been my understanding that they would switch model types after the summer/break. Sometimes however they would already turn out a few before the summerbreak. My sc does however have a few items that were also on the carrera 3.0. But did have the 930/03 engine. I think the only 911's with a 7 in their vin for modelyear would be the 3.0 carrera's.

Regards.

[K-Jetronic]

One other question though, perhaps you know the answer. ROW have 91183..... and US have 91182..... Which was produced first?
So which batch left the factory first US or ROW.

[Oldporsche]

(disregarding the discussion of first year SC, etc.)

Galvanizing was introduced gradually to Porsche. The first use was in the floor pans of the 1970 model. And then I don't think the "Reutter" body had it. At least mine doesn't. There are some pictures/diagram of the cars in the body shop section of the "Red Cover Manuals" of what was galvanized. The main body was galvanized in steps with the Targa and Coupe bodies. Mainly in the years of '76 and '77. I believe that all of the car was galvanized in '77. This is something to think about when purchasing a mid year car. A nice sleeper could be a '77 with a late big motor in it.

Good luck,
David Duffield

[palle7688]

K-jetronic, I would have to check with my PET but I'm sure that cars are not made in batches for a specific country, but as orders come in.
Porsche is famous for the way different cars (country+engine+options) are on the same assembly line.
The 5th digit is used for engine type. "3" is the 3.0L, my guess is that a "2" is for a 2,7L.
Hope this helps.

[markwemple]

Everything I have read is that full galvenising began with the '76 model year which would include all cars designated as '76 vs. cars built in '76. Also, to the best of my knowledge the SCs began in '78 but there was a 3.0 carerra in '76 and '77. Don't know for sure but I believe there were some either grey market cars or ones federalized. I have seen the beast here, just don't know how it got here. THey look just like an SC but with a higher output motor as palle said.

[masraum]

The galvanizing process began gradually, first parts of the car were galvanized, and then eventually the whole thing was galvanized. I think the crossover year was either '76 or '77.

The US cars did have different VIN numbers as well as cars for other locations since these cars required different equipment or engines.

SC's started in the 1978 model year. However, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that you can have cars manufactured in June or July of 77 that are listed as a '78. Don't the new models come out every year in the July/August/September time frame 4-6 months before the year that they represent?

[Oldporsche]

I'm fairly sure that I remember Excellence mag doing a bit on the changes for '74. In that article they explaned the models that Porsche was bringing to the market. I'm sure that the germans got a 3.0L model with the flaired rear fenders. This was the predessor to the '78 SC that we saw.

I do remember a friend of mine had a '77 3.0L with flaired rear fenders. It had been imported as a one time only deal for a military personnel.

I'm sure that the first SC's as we know them were probably manufactured in Germany in June/July of 1977. When we go to research the manufacture date and the model year we often find descripencies. Shipment alone might take as long as 90 days or more and the factory keeps the dates of the actual manufacture.

I hope this helps with some of the explantions that you have seen.

David Duffield

[jaxon]

Were the German 77 3.0's lighter than the later model SC's? Or, were they just the early edition of the SC's which followed in Europe? If it was galvanized and lighter weight, that sounds like quite a car. Light car, and ROW 3.0.

Were the '78 SC's that were introduced in the US in '78 and built in mid '77 pretty much the same as the SC's in '79?

[Aussie]

The 77 SC's came with the 180HP engine not the 200HP '76-'77 3.0L Carrera engine.

No changes were made for the 911SC between 77 and 79.

[Pettybird]

Originally posted by palle7688
K-jetronic.
Your VIN numbers indicates that it's a '78 car. The 4th digit "8" is year, 5th digit "3" is engine size-3.0L, 6th digit "0" is Coupe. Last four is car serial no. 0147 is a relative low no. so yours might have been build in late '77 as a '78 model.

Nope.

The "3" stands for ROW, while "2" stands for US market...

My VIN is 911930xxxxx.... (not being sneaky, just don't remember off the top of my head)

911, 1979 model, ROW car, coupe, serial.

targas got a "1" instead of "0"...
i.e. 911921xxxx

This system sorta worked from 70-80. 80's got 91A b/c Porsche was concerned with VINs wrapping around and meeting 10 years later. The system changed completely in 1981.

now if only i could get that 930 up front, too...

[Pettybird]

The Carrera 3.0 was a slightly different engine, if I'm reading this right:

Quick FAQ 3.0/3.2 upgrades to 3.2/3.4

-Doug