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rcecale 05-04-2004 04:17 AM

Matt,

Is this the part you're saying looks damaged?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1083426422.jpg
It most definitely is. All three of the teeth are broken off.

I still have to remove the diff cover and clean that area out as John suggested. I'm assuming that, like torqueing head bolts, there will be a pattern I should follow when putting this back on, to prevent leaking. Are there any other particular patterns I should be following for any of the other parts?

Randy

ischmitz 05-04-2004 04:27 AM

Make sure that all gasket surfaces are perfectly clean. Any old paper residue on the flat surfaces needs to be removed with a soft plastic putty knife. The new paper gaskets are not very effective. Some have used some ?copper? spray to make them seal better. I like Hylomar (non-curing compound) but I don't know if others recomend it. JW will sure give you a more experienced tip.

The differential cover has an O-ring that comes with the gasket kit. Lube is slightly and put it back together. There is no special pattern when tightening the cover from what I know so just use comon sense. I would tighten evey bolt finger tight then torque them to half their spec moving around and then to their full spec. But then again, maybe JW can chime in here.

Ingo

rcecale 05-04-2004 04:49 AM

Got some spray gasket cleaner and also some copper spray for when the gaskets get here. While I'm waiting on my parts, I'll be doing my cleaning and prepping of surfaces. I've got a metal gasket scraper but I like your idea of using a plastic one. I think that's the way I'll go. A good prep is definitely important.

Randy

nathan668 05-04-2004 11:31 AM

Balls
 
I have been following your progres from over here in England, you are an inspiration to us all. No job to big or small! I laughed when you did not know where the drain plug was for the engine oil, but respect is DUE. I look forward to reading the new post's every day. Next year i may attempt some thing similar to my 3.2 Carrera. You may not need some one like me telling you well done, But, WELL DONE!
Nat.

rcecale 05-04-2004 12:29 PM

Nathan, thanks for the encouragement(..I think ;) )! Every little bit helps. I'm sure I've said this already but I can't believe how much I've learned in doing this job...and it's not even finished yet. I'm sure I've got a lot to learn before this adventure is through.

Anyway, welcome to the board. I see this is your first post. I'm honored you've chosen my thread as your opening line. You'll find loads of talent and experience here and best of all, these guys give it away! With their attitude being like that, you're absolutely right..."no job too big or small"!

When it comes time for you to tear into yours, be sure to plant yourself here and ask as many questions as you want. I certainly did! :D :D :D :D :D

Randy

UTKarmann_Ghia 05-04-2004 01:29 PM

Yep, that's the part I was talking about. I just didnt see it in your parts needed list, so I didnt want you to miss it. Did you get any of the Locktite? A local wrench recommended it and it used it along with spraying my gaskets. The locktite held it in place while I was installing/removing/installing/removing/installing/removing/installing the gear housing :D I just used an acid brush and lightly coated the gaskets with it.

rcecale 05-04-2004 01:48 PM

Matt, I haven't been able to find any Loctite 574 like you mentioned. Hit a few of the big chain autoparts stores in town but no one seems to carry it. The only one I haven't tried was Pep Boys. I'll have to make a trip by there during a lunch break or something. I suppose I could order it online and still receive it by the time I get my parts.

Randy

rcecale 05-05-2004 04:26 PM

I've been doing some cleaning up of my tranny parts and remembered this. I noticed after I took first and second gear apart. Is this space supposed to be here between these bearings?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1083803123.jpg
I've fitted the shaft back into the tranny/diff and it seems to fit pretty snug, but I don't recall if this space was there before I knocked the gears off the shaft.

Randy

john walker's workshop 05-05-2004 05:55 PM

it moved down from the gear removal procedure. use a hammer and a stout punch/drift on the inner race to move it back. use a face mask when using a hammer and punch/chisel/drift.

rcecale 05-05-2004 06:27 PM

Thanks, John! That's what I figured had happened. I'll slide it right up against the roller bearing.

Randy

speeder 05-05-2004 06:35 PM

I've been following this thread from time to time, I can't help much because I've never rebuilt a trans, but I sure do admire your "can do" attitude, Randy! That's sort of a USMC thing, isn't it? ;)

And John, you are just the absolute spirit of this board. I know how busy you are, so this is amazing!

Actually I can contribute something, Randy, you'll never find Loctite 574 over the counter at your FLAPS, I got it from our host here. Or if there is a jobber/warehouse that supplies foreign auto shops local to you, they might have some. Call a Porsche shop, they might point you where. A good substitute is Yamabond or Hondabond from any MC parts counter. Just make sure to use any of these products EXACTLY as the directions say, and don't be afraid to ask "dumb questions". Good luck! :cool:

Beethoven 05-05-2004 08:34 PM

As another riveted non-DIYer watching this thread with anxiety, all I want to say is that when it's time to have my tranny, or in fact anything else, rebuilt, I hope I'm near Seattle. Looked up your web-site, John, and it sure looks like a Porsche owner's dream. Thanks for taking the time!

rcecale 05-06-2004 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by speeder
I've been following this thread from time to time, I can't help much because I've never rebuilt a trans, but I sure do admire your "can do" attitude, Randy! That's sort of a USMC thing, isn't it? ;)
A USMC thing?...perhaps. A result of the guidance and encouragement from this board?...ABSOLUTELY!!!

And John, you are just the absolute spirit of this board. I know how busy you are, so this is amazing![/QUOTE]

See my comment above!

Denis, I'll try your advice in searching for a suitable sub for 574.

Beethoven, when it comes time for some work to be done on your car...DIY!!! Even if you get to a point where you just can't figure it out (Like that would ever happen with all the talent and experience on this board!;) ), you'll most definitely have a learning experience that will help you to better understand the inner workings of your baby!

Randy

ChrisBennet 05-06-2004 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UTKarmann_Ghia
Yep, that's the part I was talking about. I just didnt see it in your parts needed list, so I didnt want you to miss it. Did you get any of the Locktite? A local wrench recommended it and it used it along with spraying my gaskets. The locktite held it in place while I was installing/removing/installing/removing/installing/removing/installing the gear housing :D I just used an acid brush and lightly coated the gaskets with it.
Most anything will work. I've used Loctite 518, 574 and Curil-T rubbed into the gasket before installation. If you don't use a sealant the paper gasket tends to wick transmission fluid.
518 is available at NAPA and I think the copper spray John Walker uses is also available locally.
-Chris

john walker's workshop 05-06-2004 06:52 AM

K+W brand coppercoat spray. with gaskets as thin as a newspaper, be careful of any sealer that is gooey. as the parts are tightened together, the stuff squeezes out like usual, but it can tear the paper and squeze it out too.

rcecale 05-06-2004 04:59 PM

Removed all the nuts holding the diff. cover on, but it seems that this nut needs to come off for me to be able to remove the cover. Is there a trick to holding it secure so I can loosen it?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1083891548.jpg

Randy

Grady Clay 05-06-2004 05:01 PM

Randy,

Yes, use an impact wrench for off. You need to remove the other side axle flange also.

Best,
Grady

ChrisBennet 05-06-2004 05:10 PM

Like Grady said, just burp it off. Torque is pretty low on the that bolt. To hold the flange while torquing the bolt I put two (old) CV bolts into the flange and use a broomstick wedged between them. You can use the same method to remove the bolt if you don't have an impact gun.
-Chris

UTKarmann_Ghia 05-06-2004 06:26 PM

Randy, maybe I missed it, but why are you taking the diff apart?

UTKarmann_Ghia 05-06-2004 08:26 PM

Randy, the bently suggested putting in 2 of the CV joint bolts and using a pry bar between them to hold it still when you go to retorque it. It's easy and safe.


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