22K mile '72 T .... oops!

[LeeH]

This was a sad story. A collector in Tucson was selling off many low mileage Porsches. This one was returning from a test drive when it caught fire!



It's been restored now, but has a salvage title. I wonder what it WAS worth and what it IS worth.

No bids with 15K starting price:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2458344200&category=10156

[Cornpanzer]

ANd thats why we should all have fire extinguishers in every car we own!
Prett car.....too bad about the fire

[47silver]

shouldn't be too surprising if it only had 22K miles...I wonder how the maintenance was on it.

[SCVWGUY]

I saw that car at Dunkels looked nice.

[techweenie]

That car burned for quite a while.

Hard to assess value: Targa, a color that's not a crowd-pleaser... could have been worth in the mid-teens. Now? I think the starting bid is about $10K too high.

Hate to be sour on this 911, but I know I would not have put all that restoration cash into a salvage title car -- especially one salvaged because of a fire. I'd sure want to see documentation of a new wiring harness... burned wiring is a headache forever.

[SCVWGUY]

I would pay 14K for that car!

[SCVWGUY]

That is weird, when I got to Porsche -911 - Sort by year, this car doesn't come up, anyone else having that problem?

[SCVWGUY]

This is an original 1972 911T Vin.# 9112110717 Eng. #6121746 Targa color is #140 9-3 it is more yellow then gold the closest factory stock color is Gold Metallic #133 (#144 in 1973). The seats are a brown Leatherette color or factory color #406. The carpets are Pile type that is a light brown/tan color #401. This car had its 20,000 mile service in September 1987. It had another service (oil change) on October 28th 1992 the mileage at that time was 21804. The car today has 22,700 miles on it and counting. The car has had I believe three owners before me. I acquired the car after it had an engine fire in which the deck lid and about two inches of the passenger side quarter panel were burnt along with the right side of the engine intake system. No damage to the window the window chrome or seal are present. Some very small lifting of the back window vinyl package tray upholstery can be seen, it may lay back down with some weight set on it. The Fire Department put enough water on the car to put out a small house. Some water went down the engine I found all six cylinders to have water in them. By the time the insurance co. had settled the claim on the car the damage had been done. I removed the engine and transmission disassembled the motor down to crankshaft modifying the case for better oiling. I then installed new bearings, valve guides, and piston rings. We also changed the chain rails from rubber to the later style plastic 930 ones. Rebuilt both of the chain tensioners and added tensioner safeties. Engine hoses breather and cam oil lines were also replaced. We then sent the fuel injection components out to be checked by Robert Fairchild for rebuilding if needed (not). All new fuel lines and brake rubber lines have been changed as well as the flushing of these systems. I replaced all of the fire damage parts with like kind down to the Shell oil decal on the plastic mechanical injection air cleaner. The transmission oil was drained no particles on the drain plug magnet were found we then refilled the transmission with Swepco gear oil. The wiring loom to engine replaced and the wires to the rear of the chassis repaired and rewired. I ordered and received the last two new DETA factory batteries. Under coating on the passenger side engine compartment of the car was stripped and reapplied like new. A new engine sound pad was installed. The engine deck lid had some heat warping from the fire, it was metal finished back to its proper fit. The paint work to the engine deck lid and two inches or so of the passenger side quarter panel and back latch area is some of the best matching I have seen ever. Let me rephrase that the best I have ever seen. Rubber engine seals and rear license plate panel seals are new along with four of the six engine decals two survived. Tires are the correct new vintage XWX Michelin 185 70 VR 15. This car is ready to be driven and enjoyed or sent to concourse in the unrestored category every inch has been checked over. This car now has a Restored/Salvage title thanks to the insurance company and Arizona Law.

[cegerer]

A beautiful car. Looks like everything was done correctly. Looks like standard factory 1971 Gold Metallic to me - an unsual color, but I like it. Title wouldn't be an issue for me with that kind of photographic documentation. I'd want more info on who rebuilt the engine.

[Jim Sims]

This is why if a 30 year old car is to be used and driven, rubber fuel line elements and electrical wiring should be replaced as a matter of course and hopefully before the fire. If truly original condition is required to be maintained then the car should no longer be driven. Organic materials are not going to last in a safe condition for 30 years. Hopping into one of these "time capsule" cars and expecting it to be robust is analogous to expecting a hot time on a date with a 70-year old virgin. One can't cheat the laws of thermodynamics. Jim

[LeeH]

Originally posted by Jim Sims
Hopping into one of these "time capsule" cars and expecting it to be robust is analogous to expecting a hot time on a date with a 70-year old virgin.

Ewww. Thanks for that mental image. I'll be away for a few minutes while I go poke out my mind's eye.

Looks like he's asking $30K in AutoTrader:
http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/8/6/64081686.htm

[techweenie]

"One can't cheat the laws of thermodynamics."

--Jim

Yes, as the Talking Heads sang about the second law of thermodynamics:

"Things fall apart. It's scientific"

[sundaypunch]

It's a beautiful car, but $30k for a T with a salvage title seems like a very unwise investment.

[LeeH]

It finally got a few bids. $30K? Maybe before the fire, but I can't see it going for that now.

[DonDavis]

SCVWGUY,
I see the same thing happening with 2 Porsches on Ebay. Not sure what the heck is going on but it is wierd.

[SCVWGUY]

Where did this car ever end up?

[on-ramp]

30K for a 2.2T 1972? i thought an S was that much

[pwd72s]

Originally posted by on-ramp
30K for a 2.2T 1972? i thought an S was that much

Uh...all 1972 911 models were 2.4. Your price guide? Sure...I'd sell my '72S for $30K...when pigs fly!

[LeeH]

Chuck and I discussed this car when he picked up the '69T he bought from me. If I remember correctly he sold it to a woman who immediately put an S spoiler on the front (?) . The sale price was in the low $20K range.

Chuck said the repairs were amazing - the paint blend was virtually undetectable.

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by pwd72s
Uh...all 1972 911 models were 2.4. Your price guide? Sure...I'd sell my '72S for $30K...when pigs fly!

ok, then how would you value your 72S?