the ticket :mad:

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Ruf -- tickets will affect your insurance across state lines. If you can afford the higher rates (plus the higher rates if something else happens, then something else...), just pay it and be on your way. If you're confident you can successfully contest a ticket in Colorado, you can represent yourself. A lawyer will run you perhaps $400, but may be able to get you off.

Good luck,

Dan

that's funny..

fwiw, there is a local stop sign that commuters blast thru in a residential neighborhood. One day for laughs a friend puts on a blue pants and shirt and holds an underwater flashlight with the pistol grip aimed at the cars. They would approach and screech to a stop at the stop sign.

Our tickets typically state how your speed was determined.

I don't see any mention of radar. Anyone else want to comment?

My quess is the speed was estimated by eye ball since the V1 didn't activate and I bet at that point in court the ticket would be dismissed if you had an attorney handling it.

Although passing traffic, going uphill, driving a Porsche isn't one of the better moves ;)

If you feel invincible with a radar detector then you've lost the game. It's one tool in the speeders bag of tricks. You know - all the usual stuff:

know the area and cops patterns where you're speeding
never be the fastest car on the road
drive with one eye looking forward and one eye looking back
don't rely on the radar detector to alert you to the presence of a cop
etc, etc.

Ruf, if Colorado allows traffic school (preferably online traffic school) I'd do that and be done with it. You don't want the ticket on your record.

Wait a minute, I have always seen the radar sitting at the BOTTOM of the hill waiting for someone who was not paying attention and picking up speed going downhill as they crusie along the interstate. I figured that blasting UP the hill was a freebee as long as I slowed before I got to the crest of the hill (putting aside mobile units of course). Am I missing something?:confused:

In this case I don't think uphill/downhill mattered because the cop blasted him with radar coming from the opposite direction. The key here was passing all the traffic.

Police using radar can use it to get you as you crest a hill. Your radar detector won't see their radar until you're in their sights. The thing is, I don't think cops really try and set up traps to get people who use detectors. There are so many other speeders not using detectors that the additional effort probably makes no difference to them.

A wise man said, "It's one tool in the speeders bag of tricks. You know - all the usual stuff."

I have a few hill around my place. The most likely place I get hit with a non defensable instant on is coming up a hill. Down hill side is typically just a normal radar trap. So my best defense is only getting on it really hard in the more open areas where the V1 has some range. Hill crests, on both sides are no man's land locally :)

Knock on wood, no tags yet. Going out in a few minutes for some V1 testing. Craig you around?

I am still guessing there was no radar involved with Ruf just the issue of passing normal traffic in a Porsche. Did I miss something? The V1 would have alerted no matter the radar being used, instant on or not. Ruf may not have had time to react but the V1 should have given off a boggie hit.

My bet, is over active LE with nothing to back up the 75 in a 65.

Ruf - you will want to prusue discovery to see how he estimated your speed. In most states, you can send a list of questions to the cop, and make them give you copies of documents. A lawyer will be alot better at this than you will be.

You will also want to know if the radar was calibrated, when, and ask about the cop's training for use of radar or whatever method he used. One reason they use radar is to prevent losing in court from what is essentially a guess of your speed. But he may have used markers on the hwy (or VASCAR) and seen you at two points - used a stopwatch, etc.

When stopped, and when it becomes celar that you will get a ticket and not just a warning, you should always politely ask: how did you measure my speed?

OK, so my point here is this: Instant On is deadly uphill, downhill, or upside-down. The "normal" stationary radar trap is in the bushes at the bottom of a long hill or around a sharp corner where the car without a detector won't see them until its too late. Since I do not have a detector of any kind (other than common sense), it seems to me that going uphill is "safer". Comments?

Maybe slightly safer but they set up traps at the crest of the hill which you don't see until it's too late.

My best "detector" is to follow 1/4 mile behind a fast car and watch their brake lights. When they slam the brakes I know there is something up ahead or beeping on the dashboard. Funny thing, if the radar tells the police there is a speeder, they will look for the car hitting the brakes hard and the nose goes down. I just totally lift off the go pedal and let the big red brake lights on the other car say "pick me!"

Actually instant on is easy enough to pick up if you have a little distance and they are "hitting" anyone in front of you.

The only times I have been totally surprised by instant on were going up hill, in curves, locally.

"Rabbits" are always cheap insurance even with a detector. That is why they invented Porsche rallys and two way radios ;)

Yes, best bet is lifting before you crest a hill and yes I speed a lot going up hill figuring it is a free bee. But it sucks when the Gendarme crests the hill as you are passing every car in line at 100 mph.

BTW my car doesn't dip when you mash on the brakes...it just slows down quickly. But I think your tail light techniques and "grab me" are good tactics.

In OK I use the following philosophy from Star Wars, "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice, no more, no less." Saved my butt many a time. In OK cops like to use the pass traffic going the opposite direction give people a mile to feel safe then catch them unaware with another cop waiting for them.

It's best to go 5mph slower than the rabbit in front. The cop might radar him first but then decide to give you the ticket after you both pass him since you're the first car he catches.

Thanks guys...yeah I knew I should've asked something about it...but hindsight is always 20/20 :( If the V1 went off and it was instant on, I would've paid the ticket already. But since V1 did not give any hint nor warning at all, I'm confused how he could've measured my speed within a split second of seeing and passing him and without the V1 making any sound at all (as I ALWAYs lift when I hear a beep).

Anyone on here that a Colorado lawyer?

Not that I have anything less than total respect for the fine men in blue but, I have wondered if an officer ever forgot to reset the detector and then used the same speed on the next car that looked like it was going faster than all the others on the road. Who would know (as long as it was done only one time so they didn't have 5 tickets all at the same speed).

Well today the very same V1 that saved me is not working. It powers up, then displays "P" along with lighting up all other lights, then it immediately goes dead. Has anyone had this happen to their unit?

Re: photo radar
 

Dont buy a gun, get a bazooka! http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/rlwhore.gif

I dont want this crap moving into virginia! Were already getting these damn cameras at intersections for running red lights. And the only way to get out of the ticket is to snitch on the person who was driving your car.