All else equal, do 25th Anniversary cars command a premium over "regular" 911s?
 

Just found a 1989 25th Anniversary car....

Anyone know what the 1989 25th Anniversary package included?

Color matching wheels

The interior was special, with the turbo console and dark piping on the seats. I've heard that these were the very last old coupes off the line before switching to the C2/C4, so that alone makes them special. Can anyone verify?

The Red Book has some conflicting information. On pg 82 the Anniversary Carrera is described as a 1988.

"The Anniversary Carrera was offered in a limited production run to commemorate the 250,000th 911, which was made on June 3, 1987. Special Silver Blue exterior paint and a blue leather interior were used on the 875 cars produced. Of these, 300 went to the US."

On pg 97, again as a 1988, the Anniversary Carrera: "Commemorated 25 years of 911 production. The exterior was Marine Blue Metallic with a blue metallic leather interior featuring an "F.Porsche" signature on the headrests. Carpeting was Silver Blue silk velour, There was no external identification, but the cars did have an "anniversary" dash plaque. A total of 875 cares were produced, and 300 came to the United States - 120 Coupes, 100 Cabriolets, and 80 Targas."

25th Anniversary
 

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The 1975 model year also saw limited production of a 25th Anniversary 911 and S, both of which were upgraded with a series of interesting options. A thicker rear anti-roll bar, five-speed gearbox. Whilst all 1063 examples were completed in Diamond Silver metallic paintwork with ‘Black-Look’ chrome deletion. Interiors got a three-spoke sports steering wheel (from the Carrera) and special silver and black tweed trim. Available as a Coupe or Targa, all were fitted with a numbered plaque on the passenger side of the dash to celebrate Porsche’s 25th year of sports car manufacture.
http://vista.pca.org/stl/911silv.htm

In 1988 there was a run of 875 cars called "Commemorative Special Edition" 911s which commemorated the 250,000th 911 to roll off the production line.

This 911 was available as a Coupe, Cabriolet, or Targa. Testifying to its unique status is a special edition plaque which can be personalized with the owners name. Ferry Porsche's signature is on the headrest, special Silver Blue partial Leather interior, and luxury carpet treatment on the inside. On the exterior, Diamond Blue Metallic exterior finish accented by color keyed wheel centers. This 911 comes with a comprehensive list of features (such as special leather, shortened shift lever, power sunroof) which, while optional on the standard models, are included in the Special Edition package.

If I recall correctly there were two sets of special edition cars in close succession:

1988: There was a limited run series of special edition cars to commemorate 250,000 911s built to date.

1989: There was a limited run series of special edition cars to commemorate 25 years of the 911 (i.e. 1964 through 1989).

I'm not sure of the other details about the cars though.

Re: All else equal, do 25th Anniversary cars command a premium over "regular" 911s?
 

Are you looking for a limited edition G50 car?

What kind of use is it for? Storage "Collector"or Some track and street driving?

Re: Re: All else equal, do 25th Anniversary cars command a premium over "regular" 911s?
 

Am I looking for one? Well, I'm looking for a G50, preferrably 1989, the more collectable the better.

Use will be daily and/or weekend driver mostly street at this point. Perhaps some track and DE in the future for fun, but mostly street, and nothing too extreme to run the risk of balling it up (hopefully).

Just wondering how much of a "bonus feature" the 25th Anniversary is, in addition to other trade offs between cars I am considering.

Re: Re: Re: All else equal, do 25th Anniversary cars command a premium over "regular" 911s
 

Have you looked at the Turbo Look models? They are pretty rare.

Not to mention they are civilized with power windows and stuff, so if you ever want to get serious about doing some track events you could just gut it out.

Well, I f you want the best car you can get, then get the best car you can get. I personally do not care for the Anniversery cars, etc. When I bought my car I traveled about 1,200 miles to look at 2 "all original cars" and they were not. I finally drove 700 miles to Ohio to by a purely unmolested 15,000 mile 87 911. As far as the car go, I would go with the one that has changed the least.

If the radio / speaker were changed, who know if the cut up the wiring harness or door panels. If the ehaust was changed, is the cat still there. Some peoplke change steering wheels, if the original one is not here, it might be very dificualt to find a original if it is of an off color.

Besides if someone is going to mess up your car it might as well be you. Therefore, I say, buy the most original, well maintained, unmiolested car you can find. That way you know what you are getting and as long as you dont screw it up, the resale value will be there.

Just my 2 cents.

Erik

Re: Re: Re: Re: All else equal, do 25th Anniversary cars command a premium over "regular"
 

Turbo look doesn't really interest me unless it's otherwise the right car. I kinda like the Carrera non-turbo look as well or better and am not sure that the additional premiums the turbo look cars command would be worth it to me in total, despite their added collectability.

Right now I'm looking at basically 2 cars, one regular 1989 911 in a brown metallic color I'm not quite sure about but great condition overall and much closer to me, and one 1989 25th anniversary silver 911 much further away, in as of yet uncertain condition, but with fewer miles and a much higher asking price.

Both appear to be in great shape, but I've not seen either in person yet. The first car is enthusiast owned and I've talked enough with the owner to know that it's in really good shape. Not sure if the owner of the other is really a Porsche or car enthusiast and if he's really done everything he should to care for the car despite the low miles, although it looks great in the pictures I've seen.

No worries, any Carrera is a good choice, the one you like would be the best choice.

The Red Book information is incorrect regarding the
"Silver Anniversary Edition". They inadverdantly listed
the "Commerative/Signature edition specs for the SAE.

The SAE was a MY 1989 production of 500 cars. Of those
300 were coupes, 240 Silver Metallic in color and 60 in
Satin Black Metallic.
200 Cabs. were produced, 160 in Silver Metallic and 40 in
Satin Black Metallic.

All 500 had a Silk Grey leather interior, including supple leather
seats w/black piping.

I'll start another thread listing all the other options, including
the 5 "Exclusiv" options for this model. As the info I found
after doing a search, was either incorrect or not complete.

If you need more info. immediately MMM, you may PM or give
me a call on my cell. phone (626) 230.6530

The '88s were Commemorative Editions (Diamond Blue Metallic w/ the signature on the seats), and the '89s were Anniversary Editions (most silver w/ a few black ones). They are really only different cosmetically, but all that I have seen personally have been VERY well maintained Carreras. I purchased a Commemorative Edition because I looked at one, fell in love with the Diamond Blue Metallic color (but alas there was a waiting buyer ahead of me) so when one showed up on Rennlist the next day, I jumped on it. They are not particularly rare (I've seen several CEs for sale in the last couple of years), and I have modded the hell out of mine. IMO, get one because it's a G-50 3.2 if that's what you're looking for...not because of the package (I would have jumped on any Diamond Blue 87-89). Here's a pic of mine:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1095810274.jpg

Can you give me a link to the new thread your starting? Don't want to miss it.

I don't have all the info in front of me, so it probably won't be until
tomorrow. I'll take digital photos(I don't have a scanner) this evening of the window sticker, as well as the Porsche literature regarding this edition.

your purposes seem somewhat at odds. I wouldn't take a collectible car to the track. Nor would I use it as a daily driver (if you want it to remain collectible). imho, you need to narrow what you think you want to do with the car and then buy the best example that fits with your needs and psyche. If you want a daily driver that does track duty (that's what mine is), I wouldn't be looking at paying a premium for *anything* that someone considered "collectible." Just find a solid car, perferably one that some has already modded in a way you like (or bone stock if you want to start from scratch and burn a lot of money), buy it and be happy.

There have been plenty of cases of people buying very nice examples, then they are too paranoid to actually use the damn thing. I was somewhat in that camp (although mine has been a daily driver since I bought it) until my concrete incident. Since then, I've been modding away with drills and saws and whatever else is needed. No going back now...

And from someone who's been there, done that...you're over analyzing this. Find a solid car in a color you like, buy it, and drive the snot out of it. The perfect car does not exist. The perfect drive does...and it is every time I turn the key. But until you've got the car, you don't get the drive.

Celebration Edition Supposedly built to
 

commemorate the 250,000 911 built and Ferry Porsche's 75th Birthday.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1095818459.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1095818486.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1095818503.jpg

I'd like to clarify the '88s (and there is a lot of mis-information floating around - both published and on web sites)... as I have an official Porsche marketing brochure at home that confirms this. They are officially called 'Commemorative Editions'... I have never heard the term 'Celebration Edition' used before, but it is common to see the slang terms 'Signature Edition' and 'Jubilee Edition' thrown around (they are all describing the '88s). No where is the term 'Anniversary' used in the marketing of the '88s. It's no wonder that there is a lot of confusion about these models.

OK, thank you very much. I'll be on the lookout, but please post a link here if you would.

Yar, these both appear to be all original and unmolested. Except that one has a dealer installed mobile phone that is of course hopelessly out of date, and tint film on the windows. Not sure how much of a hack job either of those installs were, how much of the car/trim was taken apart in the process, and what problems exist as a result. Oh, and one car is missing it's antenna? Not sure what that's about. Maybe he meant the antenna for the phone? I'm looking into it.

Yeah, maybe, I wouldn't really track the car, except for maybe a DE now and again. I'm not sure these 25th anniversary cars are SOOO collectible that one would have to feel bad about using them as a daily driver. Hrmmmm.

As for overanalyzing. Who me? Yes, totally, one of my many flaws, or strengths, depending on how you look at it. I'm not sure.... ;)

Here it is:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/183907-1989-911-25th-anniversary-edition.html

...a little more on 88's
 

I am looking at an '88 Cab with the signature seats mentioned. I haven't seen the car personally yet, and will this afternoon. I'll also have the VIN at that time. I've looked at every thread I could around this and am still confused.

My concern is that by looking at the pictures this car doesn't fit the color scheme of the Jubilee/Commemorative/etc... cars although the owner swears it is. It does have the signed seats and according to the owner they are the original seats. I don't care if the car is a Special Edition or not. But I would like to know if it is legitimately so.

She has 70K on the odo, and makes a trip around the block once a month, and this has been the case for 3 years (yikes).

Thoughts...and Thanks!

Weshttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads7/11144347569.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144347707.jpg

It sure looks like a Diamond Blue Metallic to me :)! I can see why you might be confused however based upon the pic. That's one of the things that attracted me to a CE...the paint. The DBM paint will appear different in various light conditions, and in the bright sunlight (as in this pic), it can actually bring out a 'purple-ish hue' (looks better in person than my word description). Most of the time however, most casual observers would call it a 'silver' color. I purchased a CE, but that was a moot point for me too...I was just looking for a G50 in excellent shape.

edited: Ps: from the pic, I can't tell if the wheels are the same color (DBM) or polished...the CE's definitely came with Diamond Blue wheels too, so they might not be original....

That is a total crack up! It could be the monitor on my laptop is suffering...nice. :rolleyes:

So the interior would be a blue as well...correct? Or is it a silver/gray?

Yes, a G50 car is the target. The lower miles help, but the lack of driving does not. If it passes a visual inspection then it's on to a PPI.

Here are a couple more pics. I can't tell if the wheels are painted or polished for sure, but they looked polished. There is no badge on the dash either.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads7/51144350581.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144350603.jpg

Hi Wes,

what Keith said is right. diamond blue changes the color ;)

sometimes its more silver, then more grey ore with a rose touch, like on your picture.
Interior seems correct. silverblue carpet, blue metallic leather with signature. Steering wheel and doorpanels also bluemetallic, front and some parts black vinyl.

Other things on a CE:

no model sign on the rear,
short gear shift
trunk carpet silverblue
most of the badges are lost!
15" Fuchs with diamondblue star

Wheels on the pic are definitely wrong or polished later.


m codes (service book or under trunk door) contains:
243 439 498 980

Your VIN must end with JS1703xx or JS1704xx or near around 300/400

I am really interested in VIN and specs, take a look here:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224929&highlight=commem orative

If you need information, you can mail me.

btw. here is another one:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/269810-1988-special-edition-euro-cab.html#post2488289

EURO / ROW Vin is different !!

JO

Hey, mmm-

If you are going to track the car at all, you probably don't want a cab, but a good friend of mine has an '89 anniversary cab in silver that he plans on selling soon. He's out in the Gig Harbor area, so it's relatively close.

When it's too good to be true...it's usually too good to be true. $18k for the car. I just got the VIN and ran a CARFAX. FUGLY! WP0EB0915JS170467

Shows a Salvage title from severe loss as well as an odometer issue. I'm going to see the car and make sure he copied the VIN correctly.

JO - Thanks for the info. The VIN did end with a JS1704.. I have seen John's car before. I beleive he sold an SC a couple years back I was looking into. A bit too much in the mid/upper 20's for me.

Dantilla - What can you tell me about your friends' cab?

Just saw the car. VIN is correct, but the title is clean. It was a theft recovery....ergo the title issue. AZ has it as a clean title.

It is the Diamnd Blue...and it is amazing. The engine is dry and clean underneath. All stock, no mods.

Here is what I found:
1. AC doesn't start. It seems to be missing a component on the passenger side behind the glove box. Linkage hanging down and a hole where you can see inside. (see pic)

2. Electric top doesn't work. Top itself is in great condition, but motors don't seem to work. Any ideas? Costs?

3. Engine pulled hard, but after a good run it was smoking from the pipe. Trany shifted perfectly.

4. Wheels are...well...ugly. Looks like someone tried their hand at polishing the paddles on the fronts, and did a poor job. The rears are stripped on the paddles but not polished. DEFINITELY not the original wheels.

I can do the interior, and possibly the top motors (with some guidance). The AC is a mystery to me.

What is something in this condition worth? it has 70K on the odo.

Thanks for the input.

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With 70,000 and smoking I would suspect the valve guides are going. I have a CE coupe with 86,000 miles and am rebuiding the engine due to two broken head studs. It started to smoke in a very short time. Do a very thorough PPI on the car. Original wheels with the car were 15x7 & 8's with the centers painted Diamond Blue. Check on the underside of the front hood for the option sticker. Would give you the factory option list. On it's way home after dropping the engine.
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Is 70K correct? The car looks really used on some pics.
engine problems with 70K means-no maintenance or fake odo ;)

The electric motors (cabriolet top) are really expensive..
2 in the front / 2 in the back.

91162405603 Elektromotor front 686,87 Euro you need 2
91162411700 Elektromotor back unavailable at Porsche Germany

91162405603 $543.90 -- pelicanparts
91162411700 $141.90 pelicanparts specialorder

Normaly the front motors are broken (over 1.1K$), but if nothing happens??
No motor tries to work?? Maybe its only an electrical problem

the electric top wont open without the key in the right position!! Sometimes hard to find. ;)

I dont know the US price range, i think 18K is to much..if the engine needs work.
Nothing is cheap..a set of 15" Fuchs..??
AC ??
5-10K$ in spare is normal..
There is no difference between 18 + 5/10 and a mid 20K car in good
condition.:)
Do a PPI if you like the car..and keep in mind you will end up mid 20.


Jo

]http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/148607108.html

Michael & Jo,

Thanks for the input. Does the car have 70K real miles? Don't know for sure. After looking at CARFAX, it shows one issue in 1997 where the owner disclosed a broken Speedo/Odo. That was at 58,921 miles.
- Titled in AZ in 2001 with 59,000 miles
- Registratoin/Emissions 2003 , 68,000 (May)
- New owner in 2003 with 70,155 (September)
- Registration 2004 (January) 70,171 miles
- No current tags

I figure:
$1200 - new carpet kit from Pelican
$1200 - new roof motors (2 front, 1 rear)
$1800 - new Monte Carlo's (reclining), need for daily driving
$1000 - AC
$____ - new valve guides
$1400 - wheels
$300 - PPI

Does anyone know where you can get the original leather to redo the seats? That metalic/crush blue is nothing I've seen before. Perhaps changing out the whole interior to black carpet and black sport seats.

$6900+ to recondition the car BEFORE engine work.

Perhaps a $10K car.

More than 10K.. 15 or more..but all depends on the condition and the engine.

The CE Carpet in a CAB looks always bad after 18 years..

A 10K CE Car was on ebay: a rusty experience ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4621738030


There is no way to get original leather or carpet..i asked in Zuffenhausen. (only the gearknob was available)
But Pelican has a real good carpet, in a matching color. SL 18.
Looks like the original..but differs extremly when you compare it with the aged version. ;)
The leather is painted metallic blue...its original porsche leather in darkblue with a metallic glossy paint on it.
Maybe pelican will help you, when you can send them an example.

We get it custompainted here in germany..i will see the result in summer.
One guy from our CE group rebuilts his complete CE interior.
Hard to match the original color.

Black leather on a CE?? No!!! ;) :D

Jo

Jo,

I can see you're quite the CE purist (good thing). It seems that in order to get the car restored to a near original CE car would be very time consuming. just on the interior alone. My hang up is on the seats. They don't have any rips, but the color is faded badly, and there are a good many cracks. They need to be dealt with and I'm not convinced it can be done.

That eBay car looks in better condition on the interior than the one I'm looking at.

Wes,

I sent you a PM.

Black or tan are always easier ... ;)

JO

There was an owner of a CE that i talked with 2 years ago and he had leather dye made up. I think it was Leatherique that did it. I lost his email address due to a computer melt down. He was going to let me know how well it matched. He described what the dye was and how they made it. I will try to find out how it worked. I want to dye a steering wheel I have to replace the original. Have a brand new black wheel dated March 1988 to dye. Also the sliver knit carpet can be found at one of the interior replacement shops as well, just can't find my link for it right now.